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great guide. i note that turn 10 is taken quite close to the inner curbs – on occassion, i find it faster to run slightly deep and then take a late apex on the way to exit. views?
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http://www.thefazz.com/me[quote=TheFazz]great guide. i note that turn 10 is taken quite close to the inner curbs – on occassion, i find it faster to run slightly deep and then take a late apex on the way to exit. views?
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http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5Dhmmm..for me fazz…i would take the later apex like u mentioned there but if i have some1 like razak behind me who is ready to out brake me,i rather clip the first apex to shut my racing line….kinda a defensive line i would say. no doubt by taking a later apex and your exit line pointing straighter u could get a faster exit speed and less kart movement aka smoothness ..true ??
[quote=Tarmizi][quote=TheFazz]great guide. i note that turn 10 is taken quite close to the inner curbs – on occassion, i find it faster to run slightly deep and then take a late apex on the way to exit. views?
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http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5Dhmmm..for me fazz…i would take the later apex like u mentioned there but if i have some1 like razak behind me who is ready to out brake me,i rather clip the first apex to shut my racing line….kinda a defensive line i would say. no doubt by taking a later apex and your exit line pointing straighter u could get a faster exit speed and less kart movement aka smoothness ..true ??[/quote]
Son, I have given up doing what u did above, cos he has no qualms about passing me on the outside….thankfully that happened only once quite awhile ago….hehehe![quote=Tarmizi]hmmm..for me fazz…i would take the later apex like u mentioned there but if i have some1 like razak behind me who is ready to out brake me,i rather clip the first apex to shut my racing line….kinda a defensive line i would say. no doubt by taking a later apex and your exit line pointing straighter u could get a faster exit speed and less kart movement aka smoothness ..true ??[/quote]
yes agreed. i myself have used the tighter defensive line a few times… but often results in me being slower i think. that said, for the life of me i tried defending against the likes of nazri ng and nizam – but they simply drove around me on the outside! bah.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me[quote=TheFazz][quote=Tarmizi]hmmm..for me fazz…i would take the later apex like u mentioned there but if i have some1 like razak behind me who is ready to out brake me,i rather clip the first apex to shut my racing line….kinda a defensive line i would say. no doubt by taking a later apex and your exit line pointing straighter u could get a faster exit speed and less kart movement aka smoothness ..true ??[/quote]
yes agreed. i myself have used the tighter defensive line a few times… but often results in me being slower i think. that said, for the life of me i tried defending against the likes of nazri ng and nizam – but they simply drove around me on the outside! bah.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5DAre we talking abt the turn closest to the paddock building….named Turn 10 here? overtaking on the outside? never seen that before cos the outside is typically dirty and u be very slow accelerating out.
Turn 10 is taken cleanly & neutral…..and yes you know u nail it when ur exit is rite on the rumble strips….without going on it.
[quote=Jules]Are we talking abt the turn closest to the paddock building….named Turn 10 here?[/quote]
yes.[quote=Jules]overtaking on the outside? never seen that before cos the outside is typically dirty and u be very slow accelerating out.[/quote]
no. they two guys took me out on the long curve before the first hairpin. i was struggling with grip so lifted long enough on entry for them to pounce on me round the outside. buggers! 🙂
[quote=Jules]Turn 10 is taken cleanly & neutral…..and yes you know u nail it when ur exit is rite on the rumble strips….without going on it.[/quote]
yup.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me[quote=TheFazz]
[quote=Jules]overtaking on the outside? never seen that before cos the outside is typically dirty and u be very slow accelerating out.[/quote]
no. they two guys took me out on the long curve before the first hairpin. i was struggling with grip so lifted long enough on entry for them to pounce on me round the outside. buggers! 🙂
yup.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5DI think you are refering to the loop corner…..not Turn 10 here. In which case, overtaking on the outside is possible….
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[quote=Jules]overtaking on the outside? never seen that before cos the outside is typically dirty and u be very slow accelerating out.[/quote]
no. they two guys took me out on the long curve before the first hairpin. i was struggling with grip so lifted long enough on entry for them to pounce on me round the outside. buggers! 🙂
yup.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5DI think you are refering to the loop corner…..not Turn 10 here. In which case, overtaking on the outside is possible….
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I think you are refering to the loop corner…..not Turn 10 here. In which case, overtaking on the outside is possible….
[/quote]yes, the loop corner. i only slotted in the overtaking round the outside in response to mizi’s comment about some guys are still able to overtake round the outside no matter how you defend your line.
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http://www.thefazz.com/meWow you guys confused me…
Turn 10 …… if the first part of the inside curbing (the curbing you’re most likely to accidentally drive over) wasn’t there you’d have a nice run for a later apex getting very close to the curb, but now as it is the curbing forces you to stay on the outside a tad and keep it tight after it. So the actual apex isn’t really where you are closest to the curb, but slightly after it – if you turn in too early and have to correct to avoid hitting the curb you don’t hit the actual apex later in the turn.
Not sure if that made any sense… 🙂[quote=mikko]Not sure if that made any sense… :)[/quote]
you lost me there, man. 🙂
what i meant for turn 10: it is a longish right hand 180 degree turn.
on your diagram, it would indicate that the line would be a tight line from entry to exit.
however, i felt that the faster line would be a slightly deep entry, with a slightly late apex and almost clipping the curb placed near the exit. almost like the line for turn 12 before the main start/finish, but the approach would be similar to turn 7 to try and get maximum speed into 10.
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http://www.thefazz.com/meYeah the line in the diagram isn’t 100%, and usually exaggerated where I want to make something obvious (like the last corner the turn-in isn’t quite that violent).. the layout should be pretty good since it’s traced from a google map 🙂
I agree with what you mention, but I’m always closer to the curb on the first bit than later in the mid-corner, simply because to go around so that i clip closest towards the end would be an unnaturally late turn-in. Very close to the curb on the first part, and still staying quite close later, but just a bit out.
Oh and just to clarify.. by “slightly deep entry” do you mean late turn-in, or hammering it into the corner late on the brakes with an early turn-in?
No other corner on the track has drivers making as many corrections after turn-in as T10 because if you get it a bit early on entry you have to adjust to avoid the curb – then you have to adjust again ’cause you’re going to run wide on exit :). Great corner to watch the difference between drivers. Many drivers turn-in too early and oversteer through the 2nd half of the corner trying to keep the kart turning enough to avoid running out of road on the exit 🙂
Here’s a shot of Hafi taking the entry how imo it should be taken – very close to the curb and pointed to keep the line tight around the curb.
Photo by Peter-Lim.ah now I get it…Fazz was talking abt 2 corners all at one go…at least that’s how I read it.
Back to TURN 10. Mikko’s given some good pointers and for me, keeping away from kerb on the apex completely is the plan. The key is to know when to brake and turn in, so you will miss all th kerbs, hug the line and drift perfectly to the outside kerb on your left….
there used to be a bad rut between the 2 kerbs ( the apex ones ) and on soft compound they cause the kart to dig and ur ribs takes a pounding……with the resurface its better but still there but again, you feel it on soft compound tyres.
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