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Congrats to him. Only watched the sprint race but not feature race.
Did you guys noticed Sentul have lotsa bumpy track surface and dusty?Fantastic race. Was jumping for joy when AY overtook Jos.
Very entertaining except during the safety car period. The marshals shall have to work faster.
It’s good for Alex and Malaysia. That podium finish has caused many critics to sit up and eat their words.
I posted a comment that Alex’s move on Jos may be deemed not legal on BMW forum….but those guys disagred and they dun know what I was pointing at, which is not surprising cos they are not racers.
what do u guys think? u r all kart racers, so pls give it a proper tot before reply.
my opinion is it’s illegal but he was returning a “favour” to Jos for a similar move in …Dubai I think. so one point each – fair!
I will in due time support my above claim with reasons why but keen to hear ur opinions and knowledge on passing…..
Malaysia BOLEH – excellent finish but alex seems drained out & sweat like dog….compared the other 2!
personally I saw nothing wrong with the move. racing incident.
it is only wrong if it was deliberate. he started to pull alongside, jos closed the door, they touched, and jos spun out. that’s it.
“In the last race I really had a superb start,” said Jos. “It’s a shame with those safety cars, otherwise I could have driven on the first set of tyres longer. That would have also been advantageous for our second set and handling of the car in the end. And the incident with Yoong, I tried to defend, but he hit me on the right rear tyre and then I spun. Luckily I was able to go on track again. I can be pleased with sixth place in the end, considering what happened.”
Despite not witnessing a podium result, Lammers was happy with progress. “We all want those positions back that we lost with that spin, but we have to be satisfied with this,” said the Dutch racing veteran. “But considering the problems we had in qualifying we got maximum result here, apart from that spin. The incident between Alex Yoong and Jos just was a racing incident, I would have also gone for it .”
That incident or accident is a classic overtaking situation that will be a subject of argument till the cows come home as to who is the guilty party.
Its illegal if Alex insisted to carry through the passing move when he is not fully parallel and knew that its a very very slim chance of success. It is also illegal for Jos to close the gap if he clearly saw Alex’s car front wheel by his side.
However, if Alex decided to continue the ‘illegal’ passing (he could have held back) and Jos did the closing the gap move (he could had let Alex thru) as described above and they consequently ‘touched’, it can be considered as a risk deliberately taken by both drivers who must have anticipated with full awareness it’s consequences…..where both or either driver could be the bigger loser depending on the dynamics of the incident. This was why many similar incidents in the pass was accepted as just an unlucky racing incident and treated as close…..or just : “ah well, sorry, better luck next time mate!
As racers ourselves, I am sure we have been faced with similar situation on numerous occasions. In most cases, we would have passed our friends cleanly without touching and thats because that friend decided to “make way” for us to execute the pass. Well, if he does’nt, very likely, both or either driver would be spinning like a top (hopefully not this bad!). Have you experienced this sort of incident before?….sure you have!
…my 2 sen opinion.
Fazz,
I think Naza’s reply revealed more clues to what I am about to say….If I recall correct – Alex’s front tyre was not pass Jos car centre to make it a legal challenge.
At the very end of the Alex’s move, u can see that he practically understeered straight as his tyres exceeded the traction circle ( from turning & braking simultaneously ). The addition stop, came from Jos rear tyre….which spun the Dutchman. ( I believe a tap from Alex’s tyre…)
If it was a legal move, he would have rub his front tyre alongside Jos panels, which obviously was not the case. Even if he did, I dun think Alex could have survived without any wing damage…
Well, that’s my 2 kupang worth and yes, Naza – whilst racing amongst friends we back off…..to give the fella a wide margin. ( I sometimes feel I race mykart events like those in Best Motoring….giving wide berth )
cheers.
[quote=Jules]I think Naza’s reply revealed more clues to what I am about to say….If I recall correct – Alex’s front tyre was not pass Jos car centre to make it a legal challenge.[/quote]
Jules,
thanks for the debate. like a lot of things in life and sports, some calls are too close to make whilst others are clear cut offenses. football referees will frequently have to make such calls under pressure and many a times they do make mistakes (bad calls, and missing clear cut calls).
The problem with racing is that such “rules” that determines the legality of certain moves are not contained in any rule book. So the legality of any botched move is always up for debate… and frequently comes down to the gentleman’s agreement on race etiquette.
The problem with a hard interpretation of the passing move in discussion is this: if the guy behind MUST –
- be at least half way alongside
- must not hit the side of the car he is passing
– to pull a legal clean pass, then we would probably rob the sport of the kind of excitement that it thrives on. Because it would be so easy for the guy in front to simply take his racing line ending in an incident, for which they guy trying to pull the pass will have to pay the penalty. That would be a big discouragement of on track overtaking.
I am saying this because I have myself made such 50:50 passes, although happily I have not caused others to spin.
During round 2, I made 3 attempts on the same corner in 3 consecutive laps on Naza. Each time I failed spectacularly due to worsening brakes, but given I have full trust in Naza (and I suppose he in me), I knew Naza would not close the door in desparation… and I guess Naza knew that I would not pull a move that would push him off. I took a line into the corner which would also give Naza sufficient room to avoid me should I fail to stop in time (and I did not stop in time).
Anyway, my point is sometimes some incidents are 50:50, and I guess I’d give the benefit of the doubt to Alex on this one. I don’t think he has demonstrated that he is the rough sort of driver.
[quote=naza]It’s good for Alex and Malaysia. That podium finish has caused many critics to sit up and eat their words. [/quote]
I don’t think one race changes much. Even Pedro Diniz had his day 😉
Anyone read today’s Star about this new karting sensation from Hong Kong – Ross Jamison? (link = http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2006/2/16/sports/13407361&sec=sports)
Notice this paragraph : “So far, outside of Japan, the region has struggled to produce top drivers, although India’s Narain Karthikeyan has proved the exception.”
So it seems that Alex is not considered a “top driver” even though he is amongst the few Asians to have competed in F1 in the past few years (I count 3 – Sato, Narain & Alex, anymore?).
Still, he is the best Malaysia has now and well done for taking the podium finish!
i can recall back few Japanese drivers
Shinji Nakano for Prost
Katayama Ukyo (something like that) for Minardi1998
Takagi for Arrows
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