CityKarting Proposal – CRG chassis + PRD 125 cc

[naza]

[quote=bosozoku][quote=Tarmizi]and i think we should still maintain the k2(100cc) class so that drivers can really master their skills before graduating into 125cc (k1)class, although the price different is not that big in this case and keep in mind we do really need to cherish this fantastic almost brand new karts and not giving it to those in matured drivers.

so i think we should have it like so:

k3-80cc
k2-100cc (prd or yamaha)
k1-125cc (prd,rotax etc..)

due to power disadvantage for the PRD, i suggest a weight penalty or different point system.

alright?[/quote]

i second your idea bro, we should always bear in mind that not all are capable of handling fast kart… so atleast for this year let selected members enjoy this offer, such as official/paying members… i’ll bet more ppl will join myKart once they come to know about this offer
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Good points by Tarmizi and Zul. Maintain K2 using rental 100 cc karts as the next step after K3 than to K1 using this exclusive for mykart’s use PRD 125/CRG karts mixing together with private 125cc karts (in other words, scenario B lah!). From my own experience as well as Tarmizi’s, the K1 category experience is an excellent preparation for those joining AAM sanctioned races such as the National level Rotax / ROK / KKS races without the pain of having to fork out too much money. In terms of skill and racecraft level, and without boasting too much, the top 10 – 15 mykarters at K2 and K1 level (including K3 buayas) can already hold their own against so-called national karters (I am not talking about winning yet….its a different chapter!). I say, the Swiss Hutless Racing Team did use the my-kart K1 Rd3 race for practice did’nt they?…..evidence of the reputation my-kart has garnered thus far?

Zul, I am not sure about restricting it to just paying members for fear of not holding up the ‘affordable karting’ objective….but my-kart may need to come up with some selection criteria because of the limited number of karts and to verify whether the driver has adequate skills for K1. 🙂

[naza]

Folks,

What do you say, shall we take up the offer?

[TheFazz]

[quote=naza]Folks,

What do you say, shall we take up the offer?[/quote]

i think we should, but let’s understand the details, conditions and implications fully. i guess we can meet with AP on saturday before or after our AGM?

[naza]

[quote=TheFazz][quote=naza]Folks,

What do you say, shall we take up the offer?[/quote]

i think we should, but let’s understand the details, conditions and implications fully. i guess we can meet with AP on saturday before or after our AGM?[/quote]

Can oso.

[muhaymin]

Bro Naza,
Since it is set to meet CK this saturday, I think we will sort out all the possibilities. From my point of view, it is a great opportunity without any loose end (at least for now). Though it is a win-win situation but i think, relatively it is more towards My-kart as the karts would be exclusively for the club with the same race fee imposed on the K2’s. ( something like private karts belongs to My-kart with zero storing and maintenance fee ).

I think we’ll look forward to saturday’s discussion to make it a reality.

cheers.

p.s … aiyaa zul, tak boleh tahan that 125 adrenalin loh!!! cucuk, cukup cukup. I can smell that CRG road rebels oredy.

[bosozoku]

[quote=muhaymin]

p.s … aiyaa zul, tak boleh tahan that 125 adrenalin loh!!! cucuk, cukup cukup. I can smell that CRG road rebels oredy.[/quote]

hahahaha :shy: bro.. lu cucuk manyak kuat arr, am having nightmares already.. Jealous arr!! 🙂 ..guys can i jump straight to K1?? 😉

[TheFazz]

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ok team, let’s wrap this discussion up.

correct me if i am wrong, but we had a discussion within the new club committee after the AGM and agreed that we shall do the following:

1. agree to take up Citykarting’s offer of the CRG/PRD125cc aircool karts at RM160 per kart per event (what event format huh?)
2. we shall maintain the K3/80cc rentals, the K2/100cc rentals, but include this CRD/PRD125a/c as the K1 entry class. The K1 can remain an open class, but the PRD will be in a sub-category like our K2-45 and K2-70
3. we need to implement a price differential between the K1/CRG/PRD125 and the K2/100cc rentals: i would suggest (say) K1 at RM250 (paying members only) and maintain K2 at RM170 non-members / RM160 members

The rationale for maintaining the K2/100cc rentals is to allow us to have a good ladder from K3. The K1/CRG/PRD125 at a price of (say) RM250 for members is a good differentiator and a suitable ladder up from the K2 class… esp with world class CRG chassis and 125 air cool engines.

I would like to restrict this benefit to members only, as this is clearly a deal which you cannot get anywhere (what is the catch, naza?). Also need to ensure that benefits of being a my-kart member is created here.

so what say you?

[naza]

[quote=TheFazz]

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…..I would like to restrict this benefit to members only, as this is clearly a deal which you cannot get anywhere (what is the catch, naza?). Also need to ensure that benefits of being a my-kart member is created here.
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Agreed. Lets maintain the k2 100cc at current rate as the next progression for k3 drivers to acquire the necessary competency level before jumping to k1. Agree also to run the k1 as an open 125cc event incorporating private 125cc karts which we can decide to sub categorise OR compensate by weight penalties (Luen to lead discussions).

What’s the catch?…..this has been bugging me for a while. Quick calculations for 2 years, running 20 x k1 races plus 12 x endurance races will probably net in about 94k. CK’s initial investment for 15 karts at 8k per kart is 120k…..hey! this will not work. Therefore either he’s got his arithmetics wrong or the wily fox has something that we dont understand. First, his initial cost per kart could be lower than the 8 k we had thought. Secondly, he is counting on my-kart to progressively draw in bigger crowds for the k3 and k2 series….maybe.

Anyway, we will know for sure after CK responds to my-kart’s email soon. If it is on, than June 16th will see these nice karts on parade and driven by my-kart’s club members at rm250 (maybe 350 for non-members?….this will really make them realise the benefits enjoyed by members).

[OSFlanker]

[quote=TheFazz]

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I would like to restrict this benefit to members only, as this is clearly a deal which you cannot get anywhere (what is the catch, naza?). Also need to ensure that benefits of being a my-kart member is created here.

so what say you?[/quote]

It would be a good idea to restrict the RM160 price to MyKart Club members. Perhaps MyKart website member can also rent the kart but at a higher rate like RM250? The difference will means extra $$$ for the club coffers. Admin wise maybe can inform CK only MyKart Club elected officials can make the bookings?

[azmee2104]

:up: Pls take note that the 6 Endurance events must be included for the agreed CRG/PRD case; (2 years) which resulting 12 Endurance races must be run troughtout the years. Looks like a lot of work on promotions to be done.

May be we can include the IC3 races to cater the 12 Endurance events.

Regards

[luen]

Naza, ok I will come up the new K1 and K1-open format post up here for discussion.

Back on the catch based on 8K per kart.

1st year
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rental 160 x 10 races = 1600
endurance 640 x 6 races = 3840
giving total 5440 at 1st year

If 8K divide by 2yeas gives 4K per year, with access of 1440 access for maintanence cost. I guess still doable.

2nd Year
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rental 170 x 10 races = 1700
endurance 640 x 6 races = 3840
giving total 5540 at 2nd year

carry forward cost of previous year of 4k, gives 8k – 4k for 2nd year

Scenario
Assumning 1st year cost of maintanance of each kart 50% from 1440 gives 720 per kart, therefore base covering cost 4000 + 720 = 4720.
8000(total cost) – 4720(rental from 1st year) = 3280(needed to cover)

at 2007 mid season
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3 enduros X 640 = 1920
6 races x 170 = 1020
total giving 2940

In this best case scenario, CK will cover the cost per kart in 18 months.

Though arguable in the maintance cost. What likely will it be, Tires brake pads.
Assuming the CSC mid compound can last 3 races, it takes 3 sets for My-kart 10 round series, Probably 3 sets for enduro total of 6 sets per kart.

what will be the cost for CSC tires since they have ordered 1000 pieces in bulk? 200 per set ? below 200?

So, 2 years cover the cost with profit i think is feasible to CK.

[luen]

[quote=azmee2104] :up: Pls take note that the 6 Endurance events must be included for the agreed CRG/PRD case; (2 years) which resulting 12 Endurance races must be run troughtout the years. Looks like a lot of work on promotions to be done.

May be we can include the IC3 races to cater the 12 Endurance events.

Regards[/quote]

I guess for safety reason, K1 CRG package should not open to IC3, which IC3 is open to public event.

1. is not adviseable to offer 125cc to public for safety reason.
2. K1 CRG package is exclusive only to my-kart members, damage at IC3 event will be very tedious and nasty.

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neat, balance and practical

[TheFazz]

thanks luen for the analysis. so my take away here is that the current rates is still do-able for CK because of the enduro requirements.

the main challenge for us is if we wish to have 10 K1/CRGs then we need to have exactly 10 karts running 10 K1 rounds PLUS 10 teams running 6 enduro rounds. what happens if we fall short of the 10 karts per race… do we have to top up? running 10 for the enduro might be a little difficult given our experience in our MEGA enduro – which averages 7 teams per enduro round.

in short, there are some catches which we need to assess if we can overcome.

[TheFazz]

[quote=OSFlanker]It would be a good idea to restrict the RM160 price to MyKart Club members. Perhaps MyKart website member can also rent the kart but at a higher rate like RM250? The difference will means extra $$$ for the club coffers. Admin wise maybe can inform CK only MyKart Club elected officials can make the bookings?[/quote]

bro, i am thinking that the my-kart paid members would pay (say) RM250 per K1/CRG round. the CRG/125cc is a sufficient differentiator to the 100cc rentals to warrant a price differential:

[table class|cost|member price|non-member price|diff to prev class
K3/80cc|RM80|RM80|RM90|n/a
K2/100cc|RM160|RM160|RM170|+RM80 & +RM80
K1/CRG/PRD125cc|RM160|RM250|RM300|+RM90 & +RM130]

this extra margins would be useful for the club coffers. the margin for the K1 is also important given that year 2 & 3 increases would be additional RM10 each year. Also the margin will need to cater for the potential under utilisation if we run less than the allocated number of karts we requested.

[sabelt]

im looking forward for more updates fazzfor the CRG/PRD K1 series…
Own karts – K1
CK’s CRG/PRD – K1.5

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