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80cc is basically pedal to the metal stuff, sometimes even no lift off at all (that’s how Jules tells me how to drive it).
100cc you have to be more sensitive on the throttle, particularly on exiting the corners. You have to feed in the throttle rather than mashing it like the 80cc.
Braking points will of course be different because you will be travelling at diff speeds down the straights but the racing lines would not change much, unless you do powerslides all the time which most of us like to do when we are in 9th place in final B 😉
No lift at all? No wonder that I was so slow at the qualifying round. Guess that I want to a bit more brave next time. For example, at Citykarting track, which corner do not require lift off of throttle?
Maybe about braking point, since their chassis is the same and the braking power is also same, right? So, the braking point should be slightly earlier. Am I right?
100cc damn best wei… u naik 100cc at sepang already, u no more mood to go 80cc anymore…
havent tried at shah alam though…
Try to assign your own braking points on every each corner, eg/ tyre wall, lamp posts, apex, etc.
Brake early until you’ll comfortable with your machine. Not all karting machines there are perfect. Slow in, fast out.Remember, make yourself comfortable and dont spend too much time on the brakes too long or else you’ll lose time and position.
[quote=sabelt]Brake early until you’ll comfortable with your machine. Not all karting machines there are perfect. Slow in, fast out.
Remember, make yourself comfortable and dont spend too much time on the brakes too long or else you’ll lose time and position.[/quote]
Sabelt is right here, not all the machines there are with the same handling characteristic. You just have to the learn the kart characteristic and adjust from there. Some karts with good handling doesn’t need much brakes. Kart which oversteers a lot need to have the brakes to control the kart thru the corners with a little throttle input. With understeer, you need to brake earlier.
Your braking point will start to improve as you clock more mileage. In other words, you just have to “Pay to learn” by having more practise session at the track = more experience. 😀
On a good 80cc kart, you basically need to use the brakes the most at 2 locations only.
Clockwise direction :
Very light dab of brakes with lots of throttle control at turn 1 and the hairpin at the end of the parabolic.Anti-clockwise :
1st right hairpin after the start/finish straight and the turn just after the long straight.On 100cc, it’s a different kettle of fish! The lines are basically the same but the braking points and throttle input is different due to higher speed.
It is flat out throttle on 80cc but you have to be a little gentle with the throttle (controlling it) with 100cc.I believe the difference is the same as taking stock standard Proton Wira 1.3, 1.6 & 1.8 DOHC out on a spin at Sepang North track. Same chassis but different character due to engine power.
This is Luen’s department to explain it to you further as he is the SIFU in 4Gtuners.com.wow put me table again? haha
I will not say 80cc do not need brake at all, especially when attacking. But the general rule is keeping the RPM high or climbing faster.
Example, if slowing in at corners and get a quick grip at exit, RPM will climb faster. On the other hand, if you have made a power slide yet keeping the RPM high (without much rpm drop) adjust on the steering for gripping (just like Fazz style), and of course no off line, they will be equaly good.
But either of these styles all drill down to the setup of the kart. Gripy kart won’t drift, driftty kart won’t grip. So whatever the condition/setup of kart that is (especially rental karts), have to adapt and learn as quick as possible.
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So whatever the condition/setup of kart that is (especially rental karts), have to adapt and learn as quick as possible.
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That’s my problem lah. By the time I got adapted to the kart, we have already completed at least 3 laps.
New proposal : K2 run for 10 laps 😀
Okay, thanks to all. Besides the corners Nohad mentioned that require heavy braking, the rest I will try to take with as minimum brake as possilble.
[quote=alvinkhorfire]Okay, thanks to all. Besides the corners Nohad mentioned that require heavy braking, the rest I will try to take with as minimum brake as possilble.[/quote]
alvin – good luck with the practice. as mentioned to you the other day, the best form of practice is an actual race environment.
[quote=alvinkhorfire]Okay, thanks to all. Besides the corners Nohad mentioned that require heavy braking, the rest I will try to take with as minimum brake as possilble.[/quote]
Alvin, watch closely at the top ten k3 drivers the next time you participate in mykart races. Make a mental note at which point the engine sound start dropping when they approach a cornor, which correspond to the point they start losing speed to enter the cornor. Notice how late they do that….now compare that to your own.
Depending on the kart’s grip level and driving skills, most k3 buayas use very little brakes in order to keep the engine rpm high at all times….There is much to learn by just watching the top k3 drivers….than practice….good luck.
Thanks for the tips. Yeah, it is surpising to see they can hit the brake so hard yet for a very short time, and they take the corner perhaps with a little drifting, but without spinning. If I hit the brake too shoft and too hard, I would have spinned. Guess that I have a lot to catch up.
[quote=alvinkhorfire]Thanks for the tips. Yeah, it is surpising to see they can hit the brake so hard yet for a very short time, and they take the corner perhaps with a little drifting, but without spinning. If I hit the brake too shoft and too hard, I would have spinned. Guess that I have a lot to catch up.
[/quote]personal weight would be another factor…
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