Difference Of Using 80cc Kart And 100cc Kart

[OSFlanker]

[quote=RawFlesh]Does it helps if you sit infront to put your weight to the front for more grip around the corners? Or to move around?

I tried it, but my arms and back hurt a few days after that. I’m not sure if it definately helped, but I was faster than the rest 😉

Who, I’ll admit wasn’t very fast actually. So, that’s why i’m not too sure.

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I would imagine you will gain more speed by being smooth rather than shuffling around. We don’t see people like Wai Leong and other pro-karters shuffling around trying to gain more front end grip.

[RawFlesh]

I don’t know who’s Wai Leong, but I take it, he’s a good karter….. So, ok…. I’ll just sit back and enjoy the race…. 😉 Thanks……

Is it true, no need to hit the brakes anywhere at all?

[Nohad]

[quote=RawFlesh]Is it true, no need to hit the brakes anywhere at all?[/quote]

Of course if you slow enough! 😀

For 80cc, it is partially true. Depending on the handling of the kart, bad handling karts do need the brakes but good handling normally don’t need the brakes.
You need to use the brakes for attacking & defending + when using the track in anti-clockwise direction.

[Jules]

[quote=alvinkhorfire]Try kerb on own kart? I will need money to buy one. 3000 laps? Money also? Loh… What to do? Jules, I know if you spread all your secret around, you will lose your edge. Okay, let keep that as your secret.
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I do karting for fun esp when it comes to using rental karts.

[alvinkhorfire]

Hi, there, Rawfresh. We used to discuss karting stuff at forum.ipoh.com.my/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48. I am glad to see you at my-Kart. So, there is a great chance to see you racing in my-Kart, am I right?

Any my-kart member, please correct me if I am wrong? Ng Wai Leong was a great karter at his time. He was Formula Asia Champion and he is now the owner of Citykarting track at Shah Alam. So, Rawfresh, I hope that answer your question.

Note: Anyone who has posted to me , please wait for my reply in about 4-6 days. I am a social internet surfer who surf once or twice per week. Anyway, I will certainly reply to those concerned. Thank you for your patience.

[alvinkhorfire]

Nohad
Not using brake? Do you mean at certain corners, you lift off the throttle a bit and let the kart slide around? Doesn’t sliding make you slower and you should drive kart around corners without sliding?

Note: Anyone who has posted to me , please wait for my reply in about 4-6 days. I am a social internet surfer who surf once or twice per week. Anyway, I will certainly reply to those concerned. Thank you for your patience.

[Nohad]

[quote=alvinkhorfire]Nohad
Not using brake? Do you mean at certain corners, you lift off the throttle a bit and let the kart slide around? Doesn’t sliding make you slower and you should drive kart around corners without sliding?
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Hmmm, maybe I’m too slow and that’s why I don’t need brakes!?
Yup, at certain corners you manipulate the throttle input to go round the corners and try to avoid sliding as much as possible.

It is different in 100cc, as it has more power, sometimes I use the rear power slide (rear wheel steering) to come out of a corner.

[RawFlesh]

[quote=alvinkhorfire]Hi, there, Rawfresh. We used to discuss karting stuff at forum.ipoh.com.my/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48. I am glad to see you at my-Kart. So, there is a great chance to see you racing in my-Kart, am I right?

Any my-kart member, please correct me if I am wrong? Ng Wai Leong was a great karter at his time. He was Formula Asia Champion and he is now the owner of Citykarting track at Shah Alam. So, Rawfresh, I hope that answer your question.
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Hey Alvin,

It might be possible in the future, I’ll join in the races, but my schedule doesn’t really allow me to do so. We’ll see…. Just don’t hold your breath 😉

OIC, that’s he owner…. How embaressing……. Kekekee….

[alvinkhorfire]

I have one question to ask, especially for those regulars at my-kart endurance race. What is the corner line at Sepang kart track? What I mean is braking point, turn-in point, apex point and cover out point. Is any reference points like marshal post for these ABC points? Yes, I understand you all can’t afford to release your tips for fear of losing your winning edge. I hope you can at least show some tips that all experts have already known, but beginners like me don’t know. Thanks.

Note: Anyone who has posted to me , please wait for my reply in about 4-6 days. I am a social internet surfer who surf once or twice per week. Anyway, I will certainly reply to those concerned. Thank you for your patience.

[TheFazz]

[quote=alvinkhorfire]I have one question to ask, especially for those regulars at my-kart endurance race. What is the corner line at Sepang kart track? What I mean is braking point, turn-in point, apex point and cover out point. Is any reference points like marshal post for these ABC points? Yes, I understand you all can’t afford to release your tips for fear of losing your winning edge. I hope you can at least show some tips that all experts have already known, but beginners like me don’t know. Thanks.[/quote]

wow big question. imho, i don’t think it is a question of a winning edge. it is more of having the appropriate driving style. for example, i know how Huffiz drives around sepang kart circuit so quickly… but i just cannot do what he does as my driving style is very different to his. hence, i have to modify how i attack corners compared to him.

the best is really track time. it is a bit difficult to describe in in text form…. although the usual standard advise of trying to minimise steering inputs when taking corners still apply.

but this is just my view.

[Nohad]

[quote=TheFazz]
for example, i know how Huffiz drives around sepang kart circuit so quickly..
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What’s his secret ah?

Must curi his secret a bit becos his style of driving could leave most of the drivers 1 lap behind. Must find out!

[Nohad]

[quote=TheFazz][quote=alvinkhorfire]I have one question to ask, especially for those regulars at my-kart endurance race. What is the corner line at Sepang kart track? What I mean is braking point, turn-in point, apex point and cover out point. Is any reference points like marshal post for these ABC points? Yes, I understand you all can’t afford to release your tips for fear of losing your winning edge. I hope you can at least show some tips that all experts have already known, but beginners like me don’t know. Thanks.[/quote]

the best is really track time. it is a bit difficult to describe in in text form….
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Very true. The best form of learning a track is to spend a bit of track time to learn the braking point and apex.
Eventhough I have driven the Sepang track quite a few times, I still make mistakes at the Mickey Mouse turn 4 & 5. As you spend more track time, you will learn which corner you could use the power to power out and which corner you couldn’t.

I can still remember the first few times I took the 100cc out at CK track, I brake as early as the start/finish line and as my experience and confidence on the kart grew, my braking point gets shorter and shorter until it reach an optimal braking point for me.

[TheFazz]

[quote=Nohad]What’s his secret ah?

Must curi his secret a bit becos his style of driving could leave most of the drivers 1 lap behind. Must find out![/quote]

I found that I tend to brake much later than Huffiz. This affects my cornering balance and revs thru the corner and onto a good exit. You will note that Huffiz has an excellent exit speed, which makes him formidable on a wider kart performance variance.

I, on the other hand am a late braker. This is nothing to shout about, given for me it is easier to know when the kart and I am at the limits. I find it is very difficult for me to brake earlier as I have no reference whether I would be braking too early or at the right point for a good cornering speed. So I am a bit of a on or off type of driver. The problem with late braking is that it is so easy to get it wrong because I tend to be close to the limit… so you would often see me missing my apex when pushing hard. So when I miss apexes, I start going sideways and lose speed. I also will not be able to effectively keep my revs up. I am a bit of a Jacques Villeneuve style of driver. *he he*

Huffiz on the other hand brakes earlier – he taps the brakes to get the kart to the right entry speed and (i think he) brakes a tiny bit more to balance the kart into the corner. Huffiz will tend to take a wider line and minimise speed retardation through the corners. Observe Huffiz and you will find him extremely smooth. Same with the likes of Jules etc.

In the final analysis, my style of driving would be a great benefit to me and my lap times if the kart has excellent brakes (so I can confidently stamp on it) and strong bottom end (so I can overcome the rev loss and speed retardation and get a good exit). So my results are not consistent.

Huffiz & Jules on the other hand, are much more consistent handlers of the kart, not necessarily requiring vice-like brakes nor good bottom end (if competing with the rest of us) – because they maintain good speed and revs through the corner. Hence, their performance tends to be consistently strong no matter what kart they ballot.

I know my driving style is hampering me, but I cannot find that balance through the corners… I need to touch the limit and adjust from there, as opposed to feathering inches away from the limit and maintaining control throughout. I hope this makes sense.

This is no big secret. The real problem is your driving style and feel for the kart. This comes with track time.

[OSFlanker]

Fazz, sounds like you drive like a certain Mr Villeneuve!

Alvin, when I first started karting, I also used to be like you, wanting to know about braking points, apex etc. Then I found out it’s not really useful to me to know from other people. You just gotta go out there and find out for yourself coz you need to identify markers which is logical to you. Trust me, at Sepang track down the back straights, it takes a lot of balls to brake late and it’s not something which you can do even if someone do tell you to brake late!

[Huffiz]

[quote=OSFlanker] Trust me, at Sepang track down the back straights, it takes a lot of balls to brake late and it’s not something which you can do even if someone do tell you to brake late![/quote]

You dun need brakes at the last turn. :))
The idea is to maintain speed.
Just before the corner, lift off trottle 50% and slightly pitch the tail so you aim at the exit apex. once the kart is pointing into direction, slam it!
All this apply halfway thru the last corner.
Once u get this right, there’s no need to complain about your kart no power…

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