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for my suggestion for this year quarterly enduro,
agree with our point @ fazz.
the pionts will be given as long as your team nmae is attending all enduro event of the year.
every team shold elect their team principle & assistant principle ,as long as one of the must be at any of the race for all session of the year.
weight will be add to min. 70kg for male & 60kg for female for a combination of 4 driver for a team.
race format as usual 2 hour enduro,pit will be open every 25mins break for 10mins for 3 times,since we have the laps board now from citykarting,i will use this board as the minutes reading notice from the 9 to 1 mins at the pit entry so that the driver can view!
once the pit close,driver is not allow to enter the pit if only they need to repair the kart problem with the same driver have to complete the 25mins race till another pit open.
driver must sign out with time noted before they race.
all teams must have a min. refuel during any of the pitstop,marshal will be there to note down the kart. no & time too.
so that after the race,the comittees will double check whether all teams did their sign in & refuelling.
will still have a discussin with all the teams principles & mykme2005 comittees 2 weeks before the race!Some updates on the weight penalties.
I was just at the track a while ago (between 1430-1530hrs on 9 April 2005). Jason Lu was doing his 125cc testing as usual, so asked him to test lap times on the 80cc with and without weights – each for 5 laps. The weather was slightly overcast but was consistent for both the stints.
Jason took the 80cc kart #3 and was averaging 1’13.427s (excluding the lowest and highest lap times).
We added about 6kg weights and his lap times dropped to an average of 1’15.410s – which is about 2secs disadvantage. Jason’s lap times were pretty consistent during both stints – table below…
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lap,without weights,with 6kg weights
1,1’14.150,1’15.540
2,1’13.350,1’15.240
3,1’13.370,1’15.600
4,1’13.300,1’15.310
5,1’13.560,1’15.380
[/CSV]Analysis:
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description,without weights,with 6kg weights
Total 5 laps,6’07.730,6’17.070
Best time,1’13.300,1’15.240
Slowest time,1’14.150,1’15.600
Total time excluding fastest & slowest laps,3’40.280,3’46.230
Average excluding fastest & slowest laps,1’13.427,1’15.410
[/CSV]This works out to be:
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[*]+0.331secs per kg
[*]+1.983secs per 6 kgs
[*]+3.306secs per 10 kgs
[/list]Take note that this is just for 80cc karts. A team which is 10kg lighter than the minimum weights would potentially be docked 3 laps by the end of the 2 hour race.
The results are pretty startling – 3.3 sec per 10 kg! Those in K3 better take note and start trimming………….
that is a lot…considering at the last enduro, the winning team managed to win the race (only)1 lap ahead of the 2nd place team.
referring to the entry list in yahoo groups, of the 10 teams that had its weight listed, only 3 teams managed to past 280kg(all above 290.. i should actually discount team heavies as they are reported to be only 255kg,not 290kg due to late driver change etc.). but fear not, the average weight of the drivers in those 10 teams is 67kg 🙂so the 280kg requirement is attainable after all.
extracted from John Kings message in yahoogroups, message number 2961.
“On the weights, although this gives as advantage to me with the Hui Nee, maybe we should also think about giving teams with ladies a break on the weights – so reduce the weight limit by 10kg for each lady in the team. We could also have a weight penalty for success – so after the 1st round, the championship leaders could carry 5 kg lead and the 2nd place team 3 kg (and still have to follow the rules for team driver weights). Based on last time, if you increase the weight limit, you may well have to put some lead on some of the karts – many of the teams will be underweight.”
i am actually contradicting myself….. hhmmmpph..
siewweng – you may be right about the number of teams above the 280kg limit. I would like to fix it at an average of 70kgs per driver as you have calculated… perhaps then review it to 65kgs next time.
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……A team which is 10kg lighter than the minimum weights would potentially be docked 3 laps by the end of the 2 hour race.[/quote]Meaning pontentially penalised 6 laps at the end of the 2 hr race if the team is 20 kg lighter than 280 kg. Man, thats a lot ! Given the relatively high driving skills seen in previous races, I would imagine it to be almost impossible to be ahead of any team by that margin (more so if the kart is sucks!) even after 2 hrs. Habis laa…!! I just hope that light drivers will not be left out in the future ? Hopefully not, if we can find a another way of handling this. Meanwhile it would be interesting to see the outcome.
any team principle here plan to have a meet at citykarting on any weekend?
so that we can discuss the matter asap!
sms me or fazz
my hp: 0123354970We have had a number of postponements and cancellations for the round 2 enduro. And I apologise to all for that. We aimed to have our enduros to coincide with CityKarting’s new 80cc karts delivery. This unfortunately leaves our timing much to Citykarting and to the kart suppliers. And thus the several late changes in the enduro dates.
For future events, I would suggest that we fix the dates well in advance and avoid school holidays and long weekends as well… and then we go ahead without having to wait for citykarting.
Because of the existing karts, we will have to think of how do we balance the performance of old karts (chassis, engines, tyres).
I would welcome discussion on how we should even up the performance of karts in enduros given the definite inconsistency from one kart to another?
me to sorry about he short notice & agree what Fazz mention earlier!
coz all this happen due to citykarting new 80cc kart arrival.
anyway,I think we need to really checkout the total weight for a team aspa coz still hard to get the min. 280kg for a team as few register teams didnt make to the min. weight too!
pls conment?Perhaps another way to arrive at the minimum weight is to aggregate all the participants weight to arrive at the average weight. The minimum weight is the average or a certain percentage of the average.
eg there are 24 participants totalling 1,562kg, average is 65.08kg, then the minimum weight of a team is 260kg (rounded to nearest kg).
[quote=OSFlanker]Perhaps another way to arrive at the minimum weight is to aggregate all the participants weight to arrive at the average weight. The minimum weight is the average or a certain percentage of the average.
eg there are 24 participants totalling 1,562kg, average is 65.08kg, then the minimum weight of a team is 260kg (rounded to nearest kg).[/quote]
Interesting approach… only problem is that teams will not know the minimum weight until all registrations are closed. This is going to cause a lot of havoc.
What we can do however, is to use the average weight for the previous event. I don’t think I still have the data, but will have to check – Steward any thoughts?
If according to the previous registration list:
http://my-kart.org/web/index.php?q=node/81&from=30&comments_per_page=10[CSV]
TEAM,Team Weight
fast & furious,249
tail happy racing,260
gila racing,?
mee fook yew,?
heavies,292
cool it,?
underweights,235
team 156,275
initial d,243
bmw,?
romeos,276
DAFART,290
??,290
backmarkers,291
average per team,270.1
[/CSV]Looks like 270kg per team is alright…? Or 67.5kg per driver.
More importantly though is how do we ensure that the luck of the draw (bad kart, super kart) is reduced substantially?
We cannot always hope that Citykarting will provide brand new karts and tyres…. so we need a way to remove the bad choice / great choice karts.
[quote=TheFazz]More importantly though is how do we ensure that the luck of the draw (bad kart, super kart) is reduced substantially?
We cannot always hope that Citykarting will provide brand new karts and tyres…. so we need a way to remove the bad choice / great choice karts.[/quote]
Very easy. Let me test run all the karts for 5 laps for free and let my timing tell you which kart is lousy. How about that?
[quote=Nohad][quote=TheFazz]More importantly though is how do we ensure that the luck of the draw (bad kart, super kart) is reduced substantially?
We cannot always hope that Citykarting will provide brand new karts and tyres…. so we need a way to remove the bad choice / great choice karts.[/quote]
Very easy. Let me test run all the karts for 5 laps for free and let my timing tell you which kart is lousy. How about that?[/quote]
But then we’d have to disallow you from participating in the REAL event… *big grin*
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