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[quote=Jules]
Yes – your own mechanics would be helpful on the set-up and checks but only if they are bothered to adjust and adjust like Fiki’s. CK’s ones would be stressed to cater for all of their rentals drivers unless u kautim them….cheers.[/quote]
Yup, this is one area we have to sort out if ever we do the K1 or have a repeat of the last one-off 125 race.[quote=mikko][quote=feekey]Greetings,
anyway my humble opinion is that if we are running on a hard compound tire, we should not go for the rolling start, its too dangerous. 1st corner is the main killer, what happen there was the enthusiasm of me at the 1st corner. but again there are pro n con about this starting style.
[/quote]Pro would be that other than some shifter kart categories a rolling start is the only way every kart series anywhere starts. Care to explain why you feel it’s more dangerous than a standing start? Usually a rolling start is considered as the safer option. Also why does the hard compound make it more dangerous than when using a soft compound? Just curious ’cause I can’t really see the reasoning.
As kart engines aren’t designed to go good from 0 you’d see massive differences on how karts get off the grid on a standing start.[/quote]
my reasoning, is simple.. too enthusiast at the 1st corner when rolling start.. and hard compound is dangerous because no grip especially with these machines 125cc, which u racer dont even use it when practicing..do you think when im in the hard compound chassing the front runner i want to brake early?? i rather go outside the track or bang the front runner’s kart from behind…but yes i might be slower going off the track.. arghh dont care.. (ppl can be like that u know) but we are frenly driver i guess. and lucky we have fazz as a father that will talk to u if u driving too dangerous.
and yes i know the kart is not so good for a standing start.. but again, its for fun.. most races u mention doing rolling start, well now are we adapting the most races system?
that is what i feel.. but u guys should know more.. since u all racing professionally.. rite..
just my 2 cent
Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!!
[quote=Jules]I cannot understand too and we will never do standing starts on 125….PERIOD. Foul plugs will be 50% reason all will be stranded.
Actually the 1st corner after the start on the 1st lap is taken slower than norm so I dunno why this is dangerous. Controlled agression is called for and I expect some bumping here as well, all done at slower speed so it’s ok – so that’s part of the accepted game.
Of course spinners are not welcomed….he he he
Mikko – would u agree on above? [/quote]
jules,
it is just my opinion.. and my feel… but 1st corner is where the nervous really kick in… so ur judgment at 1st corner is really bad.. the tire is cold, with hard compound is even worse. again i mention u guys all pro driver.. my 2cent become 0.2 cent already..Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!!
[quote=saa73][quote=Jules]I cannot understand too and we will never do standing starts on 125….PERIOD. Foul plugs will be 50% reason all will be stranded.
Actually the 1st corner after the start on the 1st lap is taken slower than norm so I dunno why this is dangerous. Controlled agression is called for and I expect some bumping here as well, all done at slower speed so it’s ok – so that’s part of the accepted game.
Of course spinners are not welcomed….he he he
[/quote] …agreed, I think everyone was controlled at the first corner…except that spinner dude…
[/quote]yeah lah.. basket lah that spinner dude.. panggil die … kasi hantam..
Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!!
[quote=feekey]my reasoning, is simple.. too enthusiast at the 1st corner when rolling start.. and hard compound is dangerous because no grip especially with these machines 125cc, which u racer dont even use it when practicing..do you think when im in the hard compound chassing the front runner i want to brake early?? i rather go outside the track or bang the front runner’s kart from behind…but yes i might be slower going off the track.. arghh dont care.. (ppl can be like that u know) but we are frenly driver i guess. and lucky we have fazz as a father that will talk to u if u driving too dangerous.
and yes i know the kart is not so good for a standing start.. but again, its for fun.. most races u mention doing rolling start, well now are we adapting the most races system?
that is what i feel.. but u guys should know more.. since u all racing professionally.. rite..
just my 2 cent
Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!![/quote]
brader – let’s end the discussion on this. rolling starts are preferred for my-kart races. this –
i/ avoids clutch burn
ii/ is safer as all karts are at similar speed (standing starts are prone to some slow off the line)
iii/ fairer for slightly heavier drivers (less inertia to overcome)——————————————————
http://www.thefazz.com/me[quote=TheFazz]
brader – let’s end the discussion on this. rolling starts are preferred for my-kart races. this –
i/ avoids clutch burn
ii/ is safer as all karts are at similar speed (standing starts are prone to some slow off the line)
iii/ fairer for slightly heavier drivers (less inertia to overcome)——————————————————
http://www.thefazz.com/me%5B/quote%5D I strongly support…we have lots of experience in rolling starts and it has not been an issue for my-kart races…by the time a karter gets to K1 he/she would be very well versed on it….just need a little “controlled agression” at the 1st corner that’s all….and point (iii) is very important for me!!In conclusion, I will join K1 only when I own my own kart or by lease to purchase.
Feekey, can rent your mechanics ah?
To me, I am just rookie to any of these formats and tire compounds. I guess with this that only i can improve myself just drive in any condition and any format. I will go with any decided format.
I am ok with the majority decisions.
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neat, balance and practical[quote=feekey][quote=Jules]I cannot understand too and we will never do standing starts on 125….PERIOD. Foul plugs will be 50% reason all will be stranded.
Actually the 1st corner after the start on the 1st lap is taken slower than norm so I dunno why this is dangerous. Controlled agression is called for and I expect some bumping here as well, all done at slower speed so it’s ok – so that’s part of the accepted game.
Of course spinners are not welcomed….he he he
Mikko – would u agree on above? [/quote]
jules,
it is just my opinion.. and my feel… but 1st corner is where the nervous really kick in… so ur judgment at 1st corner is really bad.. the tire is cold, with hard compound is even worse. again i mention u guys all pro driver.. my 2cent become 0.2 cent already..Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!![/quote]
i see..actually…thats why the rolling start is better…u can use the formation lap to warm up your tyres…pump up your brake….and get your self prepared for the 1st corner…just some techinical questions that come across me
1. Is K1 going to be open or confined to one type engine made
2. Techincal specs
a. should define the main-jet (is that how to spell) size, confirm to one size
b. Plug code, eg Denso IW-29? 33?
c. spockets teeth size, for both front and back.I guess we have already decided to tire’s model and compound type. My take is that brake pad compound and rotor will not take so much of effect of the braking performance (please correct me if I am wrong).
Chassis if going to be open for any make, it will be up to individual settings and prefference, that is where the learning is coming from.
Will that ok to take it for this coming 15th TT session for discussion?
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neat, balance and practical[quote=luen]Will that ok to take it for this coming 15th TT session for discussion?
[/quote]there are still a number of questions to answer. so yes, we will attempt to get some resolution of these issues at the coming TT.
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http://www.thefazz.com/me[quote=luen]just some techinical questions that come across me
1. Is K1 going to be open or confined to one type engine made
2. Techincal specs
a. should define the main-jet (is that how to spell) size, confirm to one size
b. Plug code, eg Denso IW-29? 33?
c. spockets teeth size, for both front and back.I guess we have already decided to tire’s model and compound type. My take is that brake pad compound and rotor will not take so much of effect of the braking performance (please correct me if I am wrong).
Chassis if going to be open for any make, it will be up to individual settings and prefference, that is where the learning is coming from.
Will that ok to take it for this coming 15th TT session for discussion?
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neat, balance and practical[/quote]Luen,
I try to give u my answer.
– We should allow all engines as long as 125 clutch kart ie. Rotax, Leopard, Sonik and ROK.
– Plugs, jetting should be open. Different engines even stock can require different settings – driving styles changes that.
– Gearing as well since different engine brands revs differently. If same engine, yes you can cross refer but it’s a guide only.
– Brake pads….not important cos 2 compounds only and not critical for hard tyres….
– From chassis tuning, you can learn the basics quickly but kart chassis is a black magic! ( hence needs practise and even that no guarantee…)I can add that if we restrict this and that…..we will soon frighten everyone away and who will also do all the policing? Next thing we say engine must be open to dimensional checks!
This is for fun and if someone is winning all the time…maybe we can add ballast for next round ala Japan GT racing style….
Just my ideas.
[quote=feekey][quote=saa73][quote=Jules]I cannot understand too and we will never do standing starts on 125….PERIOD. Foul plugs will be 50% reason all will be stranded.
Actually the 1st corner after the start on the 1st lap is taken slower than norm so I dunno why this is dangerous. Controlled agression is called for and I expect some bumping here as well, all done at slower speed so it’s ok – so that’s part of the accepted game.
Of course spinners are not welcomed….he he he
[/quote] …agreed, I think everyone was controlled at the first corner…except that spinner dude…
[/quote]yeah lah.. basket lah that spinner dude.. panggil die … kasi hantam..
Don’t Just DRive IT, fEEL it!!![/quote]
Fiki – since I started the “name”, I apologise if it offended your feelings.
We are not professional racers ( otherwise some of us wun be here ) but we try to replicate the real deal as much as possible for the K1 series.
If you notice, even K3, K2 are on rolling starts now and controlled driving into and out of T1 is what we teach…..
Yes, we debated this openly many years ago and we can say we successfully implemented the rolling starts.
Hope the matter clarifies…..
[quote=Jules]Luen,
I try to give u my answer.
– We should allow all engines as long as 125 clutch kart ie. Rotax, Leopard, Sonik and ROK.
– Plugs, jetting should be open. Different engines even stock can require different settings – driving styles changes that.
– Gearing as well since different engine brands revs differently. If same engine, yes you can cross refer but it’s a guide only.
– Brake pads….not important cos 2 compounds only and not critical for hard tyres….
– From chassis tuning, you can learn the basics quickly but kart chassis is a black magic! ( hence needs practise and even that no guarantee…)I can add that if we restrict this and that…..we will soon frighten everyone away and who will also do all the policing? Next thing we say engine must be open to dimensional checks!
This is for fun and if someone is winning all the time…maybe we can add ballast for next round ala Japan GT racing style….
Just my ideas.
[/quote]jules et al…. i would go with the open spec – policing is going to be difficult otherwise. however, we should implement ballast for the top 3 finishers for the next rounds etc.
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