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[quote=TheFazz][quote=naza]
[quote=luen]
The race
===============– All team member compulsory clock minimum 25 and maximum 35 minutes of track time. Every 3 minutes excess of total team and or individual driving time will minus 1 lap at end result
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Every 3 mins excess of total team?….theoretically not possible as race will end at 100 minutes.More important is how do we monitor each driver of every team not to exceed 35 mins. Some sort of system is needed, maybe discuss later.[/quote]
monitoring driver stint times is a little difficult i thought. any objections to pre-determined driver change windows – like what we did for the old mega-enduro races? that way we can check teams that change driver and avoid any teams having their fastest (and lightest) driver drive the majority of the laps.
thoughts?[/quote]
unlimitted driver change is the significant difference to previous endurance format. If pre-determined driver change time slots, i see everything will pretty much sustain back to old format except longer race time. Pertaining to old format I see there is somewhat favour to lighter teams which not much of the strategies applicable.
Anyhow is majority call.
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neat, balance and practical[quote=luen]
Control system
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there will be a docket or piece of card board given to each team, driver that comes back from track will need to take this card for timestamp at control booth with official signature.Sum up time stamps will be the total time on track, this method will be useful during the race. During qualifying, driver would just need to report him/herself at control booth after each run.
please comment[/quote]
Bro,
Since the race does not limit the number of pitstops and therefore there will be no fixed time windows, it will mean that there will be a need for someone to constantly monitor and ensure that each driver of every team to be timestamp / signature. Given that most if not all of us will be taking part in the race, it could be very difficult to get volunteers to play this role. In previous races, we had the track operator to handle this task, if I am not wrong (Fazz can clarify).However, it can still be done provided we can confirm very early a list of people to do the job of timestamping. Relying on getting volunteers on the raceday is very risky cos everybody will be too excited and preoccupied with the race…..as we have seen in previous races.
it will be easier if the driver approach the official for time stamping than otherwise. This can be done by if there is no time stamping on that paper or piece of card as mentioned earlier with official signature, that drive is not counted.
CK wan xin’s boy friend does offer this help last race during our launch, however it was cancelled at the end due to rain. Not sure this round if they are willing to lend a hand. Yeah our resources do matter though.
[quote=luen]unlimitted driver change is the significant difference to previous endurance format. If pre-determined driver change time slots, i see everything will pretty much sustain back to old format except longer race time. Pertaining to old format I see there is somewhat favour to lighter teams which not much of the strategies applicable.
Anyhow is majority call.[/quote]
luen – i wouldn’t go with a consensus here, as i do believe we should experiment a bit more. but happy to continue the discussion. i have no problems if you make the final call. 😉
i like the unlimited driver change… but i would have thought that logically the best strategy would be having the least number of stops possible: which will be 3. so the most aggressive teams would only stop 3 times and perhaps even keep their fastest & lightest driver out for the longest time possible. so there is a need to monitor the time of each driver stint.
we did this once – in our first ever mega enduro race. we had drivers clocking in an out… but it got a little hectic at the clock in desk. and some drivers even forgot to clock in/out. logistics and thorough rules understanding by the teams will be absolute importance. we should think how to do this.
[quote=luen]CK wan xin’s boy friend does offer this help last race during our launch, however it was cancelled at the end due to rain. Not sure this round if they are willing to lend a hand. Yeah our resources do matter though. [/quote]
yes – getting helpers to do this would be important. most of our guys will be focussed on racing.
[quote=naza]
Given that most if not all of us will be taking part in the race, it could be very difficult to get volunteers to play this role. In previous races, we had the track operator to handle this task, if I am not wrong (Fazz can clarify).However, it can still be done provided we can confirm very early a list of people to do the job of timestamping. Relying on getting volunteers on the raceday is very risky cos everybody will be too excited and preoccupied with the race…..as we have seen in previous races.[/quote]
we did not have much administrative help from the operators in the past. in our first ever mega-enduro, we had some wives / gf of drivers to volunteer. but that was pretty hectic for them. we can try again though.
feedback from CK
RM200 included thropies for 1 to 3 placing total of 12 throphies original package
-I requested Throphies for 1 to 4 placing and medal (metal) for the remaining 5 to 15 placing. CK request extra RM100 in total. This means extra RM6.7 perteam. It also means if we do not have 15 teams it will definately go lower that extra RM100 and the price for each team will varies.1st September has been reserved by Steward Loke but no plan of action from him yet.
8th September will be our alternate date[quote=TheFazz][quote=luen]unlimitted driver change is the significant difference to previous endurance format. If pre-determined driver change time slots, i see everything will pretty much sustain back to old format except longer race time. Pertaining to old format I see there is somewhat favour to lighter teams which not much of the strategies applicable.
Anyhow is majority call.[/quote]
luen – i wouldn’t go with a consensus here, as i do believe we should experiment a bit more. but happy to continue the discussion. i have no problems if you make the final call. 😉
i like the unlimited driver change… but i would have thought that logically the best strategy would be having the least number of stops possible: which will be 3. so the most aggressive teams would only stop 3 times and perhaps even keep their fastest & lightest driver out for the longest time possible. so there is a need to monitor the time of each driver stint.
we did this once – in our first ever mega enduro race. we had drivers clocking in an out… but it got a little hectic at the clock in desk. and some drivers even forgot to clock in/out. logistics and thorough rules understanding by the teams will be absolute importance. we should think how to do this.[/quote]
Understand your point clearly. Resources is one of our major problem 🙁
ok I am going to vote for 3 pitstops open at every 20 minutes to 30 minutes and all driver must drive.
Qualifying round stands———————————-
neat, balance and practical[quote=luen]
…….1st September has been reserved by Steward Loke but no plan of action from him yet.
8th September will be our alternate date[/quote]
…you mean 1st December….Mega Endurance Race 2007
Date: 8th December 2007
Time: 10:00am
track : City Karting, Shah AlamFormat
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Total event time of 120 minutes
20 minutes qualifying
100 minutes endurance raceRegistration fees
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RM300 per team
Early bird pacakge before 10th NOVEMBER 2007 entitle RM40 discount
Registered member entitle RM10 subsidize by MY-KartPrizes
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Throphies for top 3 placing winning team
Medals for all participantsLight refreshments
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Light refreshments will be provided on the eventRequirement
===========-4 drivers to a team
-minimum required total weight for team is 280kg
-Team with team driver may subtract 10kg
-Decent 1 qualified grid positions of every 5kg below minimum weight requirement.
Example
-a tean of 1 femake driver will be 270kg
-a team of all female drivers will be 240kg
if actual total for all female drivers team is 220kg then it will 4 position decent from qualified grid position.
20 minutes qualifying round
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-all drivers must participate, taking average all 4 fastest lap time by each driver, deciding on grid position-absence of any of the team driver in qualifying will be starting at the back of the grid
-in incident of kart failure during qualifying round and unable to clock time, the team my resume to race by starting at the end of grid position with spare kart
-Pit will open throughout entire qualifying session and no restriction to each driver maximum track time
-The team is allowed to change kart ONLY if kart failure during qualifying
-The team is allowed to change kart after qualifying round with reason of incompetence of current kart. The team will decent 50 percent of its qualified grid position.
The race
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-100 minutes 3 pitstop windows will be open at every 20 minutes for 10 minutes(close at minutes)-Next pitstop window will open in 20 minutes from previous for 10 minutes
Example,
pitstop1 open 10:20 close 10:30
pitstop2 open 10:50 close 11:00
pitstop3 open 11:20 close 11:30-All drivers are compulsary to drive at least one session of 20 minutes
-No drivers are allowed to change during window is closed unless emergency or special incident (please post your question upon this incident)
-late (while window close or not open) will impose 2 laps penalty unless emergency or special incident
-any did-not-drive driver the team will be officially disqaulified
unless emergency or sepcial incident-in incident of kart failure, driver will have to get spare kart back at pit/control area that is subjected to spare kart availability
-in incident lost of transponder due to accident, the team will be officially disqualified as no lap time taken
-Petrol refuel at any pitstop window
confirmed date 1st December 2007, please comment and make necessary change. Please edit my post if it is needed. TQ
Price from CK to us,
per kart RM200, including throphies up to 3rd placing, total of 12 pieces.
I have requested throphies up to 4th place and metal medals from 5 to 15(estimation of 15 karts)
CK quoted us RM100 extra in total of 48 pieces throphies and medals.[quote=luen]Price from CK to us,
per kart RM200, including throphies up to 3rd placing, total of 12 pieces.
I have requested throphies up to 4th place and metal medals from 5 to 15(estimation of 15 karts)
CK quoted us RM100 extra in total of 48 pieces throphies and medals. [/quote]No problems in my view.
[quote=luen]Price from CK to us,
per kart RM200, including throphies up to 3rd placing, total of 12 pieces.
I have requested throphies up to 4th place and metal medals from 5 to 15(estimation of 15 karts)
CK quoted us RM100 extra in total of 48 pieces throphies and medals. [/quote]sounds alright to me. cheers!
[quote=luen]Price from CK to us,
per kart RM200, including throphies up to 3rd placing, total of 12 pieces.
I have requested throphies up to 4th place and metal medals from 5 to 15(estimation of 15 karts)
CK quoted us RM100 extra in total of 48 pieces throphies and medals. [/quote]it’s gooooodz..
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