mega endurance race 2007 (commitee discussion)

[saa73]

[quote=luen]we also need to arrange light refreshments, bombee will be the one? [/quote] Bombe is the Chosen One…

[naza]

[quote=saa73][quote=luen]we also need to arrange light refreshments, bombee will be the one? [/quote] Bombe is the Chosen One…
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Agreed.

[luen]

guys, I have received quite a number of comments about the weighing system for endurance race.

Feedbacks;

– 5kg penalty of 1 grid position,if start on the same lap, even the first driver can overtake.

– lighter teams hold back during qualifying.
– if one driver of 90kg the rest of team members are 63.3kg, basically there are not overweigh by right.
– no fair to evenly weight team and etc etc.

so here are the suggestions;

option 1
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all 4 drivers + constant of 70 must equal to 350
= (total weight of driver) + 70(constant)/5 => 70

number that less than 70 will add weight ballast.

Example1;
(d1)55 + (d2)67 + (d3)70 + (d4)70 + constant70 = 66.4 therefore 4kg is needed to add on kart.

example 2;
(d1)55 + (d2)55 + (d3)55 + (d4)100 + 70 /5 = 67, add 3kg ballast

example3;
d1(70) + d2(72) + d3(68) + d3 (56) + 70 / 5 = 67.2, 3 kg needed

example4;
55+55+55+70+70/5 = 61, 9 kg needed.

Option2
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Take lightest driver compare with constant. This weighing format adopted by MME race of AAM.

constant – lightest driver = weight impose

example:
constant 70 – lightest driver of 60kg = 10kg impose onto kart.

Team with all female drivers shall have the privilege constant 60. Mix drivers shall retain the same constant of 70.

please feedback guys

[naza]

Using weight ballast (option 1)is perhaps the best way to equalise the competition due to weight variations. However, adding ballast would cause the 80 cc karts to have slower acceleration (especially when exiting slow cornors) and those unlucky to have drawn slow ” karts” will be very frustrated. Ballast used in 125cc karts are ok due to their higher power / torque. I guess, we can live with the slower acceleration as this is suppose to be an endurance race rather than a sprint race.

Bro, we need to check with CK about adding ballast to the 80 cc karts, otherwise its back to time or grid position penalties.

[luen]

Naza, I talked to CK today about the weight ballast thingy.

They do not have that much if we go option 2. The most they can provide is around 20 plug kg. Wanxin will get back to us about the putting ballast on the rental kart.

With option 1, the most add is about 3 to 4 kg the most if minimum requirement 70 after plus constant 70. If we lower the minimum requirement 70 to 68, then i think lots of team does not need to add weight…..

68 then?

[naza]

[quote=luen]Naza, I talked to CK today about the weight ballast thingy.

They do not have that much if we go option 2. The most they can provide is around 20 plug kg. Wanxin will get back to us about the putting ballast on the rental kart.

With option 1, the most add is about 3 to 4 kg the most if minimum requirement 70 after plus constant 70. If we lower the minimum requirement 70 to 68, then i think lots of team does not need to add weight…..

68 then?[/quote]

Luen,
Lets keep it at 70 for the moment until you get Wan Shin’s feedback on the ballast thing. Lowering it to 68 or less will eventually mean that the ballast added is getting much lesser to the extent that it may no longer be of much difference to the driver……in my view.

[TheFazz]

[quote=luen]please feedback guys[/quote]

bro… i prefer option 1. i agree with naza. it is likely that the drivers in the team varies in weight so, the weight penalty may be high for many teams. furthermore it is not so fair on the heavier drivers in the team.

by the way… why do we need to include the 70kg constant in the team weight & average?

also… keep the constant at 70kg for now (to allow for raya cakes!).

[luen]

the 70kg constant suppose to be for weight of the kart. haha yeah yeah keep the 70kg average for festival cakes. Agreed.

[naza]

[quote=TheFazz]
by the way… why do we need to include the 70kg constant in the team weight & average?

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I believe Luen has assumed that 70 kg is the 80 cc kart’s average weight for now…but are we going to weigh the karts on raceday? If thats the case, I would suggest to weigh the karts immediately after chequered flag for only the top five finishers cos its not necessary to weigh all karts. Of course, those exceeded the minimum weight will automatically be DQ ‘ed.

[luen]

Thanks bro naza, that was the idea.

I will get confirmation of with CK tomorrow and will release this T&C to the public forum.

[luen]

Azlan, Naza as per discussion last week. Here is somewhat have agreed upon the new rule, please comment:

Team Weight

-4 drivers weight + constant 70 / 5 = should be no less than average 70

-all women team should be no less than average 60

-Weight ballast in kg will be added to kart according to the shortage of average.

-Team below average of 58 will further decent 1 qualify grid position.

-Maximum ballast added to a kart wil be no more than 6kg.

[bosozoku]

Question
“Team below average of 58 will further decent 1 qualify grid position”…. errr will it make any difference?
💡 how’bout if we added XX sec to their total time after the race finished & from there we decide which Team is #1, #2, #3 and so on.

e.g. below 10kg -5sec & + additional 1 sec for each Kg after that

[bosozoku]

hihi… sorry mistake :shy:
e.g. below 10kg + 5sec & + additional 1 sec for each Kg after that

[luen]

zul,

below 58 average par will impose 6kg ballast + 1 grid qualified position, sorry i have missed that out.

However, yeah I agree with you, below 70 average par should;

– maximum 6kg ballast (for below 70) + 5 sec penalty further below than 60kg?

it means for
59 average = + 6kg + 5 sec
49 average = +6kg + 10 sec
39kg average = hahah k4 group already

sounds ok?

[euss72]

[quote=luen]zul,

below 58 average par will impose 6kg ballast + 1 grid qualified position, sorry i have missed that out.

However, yeah I agree with you, below 70 average par should;

– maximum 6kg ballast (for below 70) + 5 sec penalty further below than 60kg?

it means for
59 average = + 6kg + 5 sec
49 average = +6kg + 10 sec
39kg average = hahah k4 group already

sounds ok?
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Would that not be double penalty? Ballast + time or should we just impose either of it instead?

But again, the whole idea is to have a level playing field and encourage drivers to form team above the weight limit..probably it is more of a deterrents.

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