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Hi fellow karters,
Reading about this series, I guess this will be THE series who is the up and coming driver. Reading the rules, all karts and drivers will meet a minimum weight ie too light, u will need additional ballast, too heavy… need to slim down….
As the engines will be sealed and no mods to be done, and the standard MRF tyres being used, I guess the whole field is starting on equal terms, no forgetting that in the senior class there is a restriction on drivers under the age of 25,(read about it in the soft copy) giving the fun drivers a shot at winning. A good call by RL Karting.
As KKS is involved, expect the organizing to be the best in the country.This series will see the true driving abilities of the driver.
kaaz38,
U replies suggest that U r new to karting. Welcome anyway.
On weights – All national and international races run with weight limits. So the lite has to add weights and the heavies….lose or go into another heavier category. ( when there’s one )
Stock standard, no engine mods are NOT new – I am a product of the Piston Port class from year class 2000-2001. This ur “best” club KKS canned it……
let’s see how far this goes but as I know Richard personally – I want this to go well for Aaron’s sake.
Anyone game here? Iskandar – yes u can get the Rosedi chassis or even a 2nd hand one……I think 3 – 5 K gets you a race-able one!
Contact Fazz or myself if help needed. Offers open to all of you.
Yeah, KKS canned that class, I think the drivers were dissatisfied as the Comer P50 were giving a lot of starting problems, and I heard that super hard compound fun kart tires were used, which didn’t excite the drivers.
The Comer P50 had some questionable “QC” production problems, due to that the class dwindled down until … it got canned.
Yamaha KT100? This is the most dependable karting engine worldwide, (Moreover with a starter. I think RL karting is the first worldwide to officially receive the KT100SEC, since it’s release in Japan last year 2005) RL Karting made the right choice for this series, thumbs up!
I guess Jules, you would be competing in this series?3-5 K for a chassis? Quite a good deal compared to the other exotic chassis that is way out of my league. Anyway to think about the starting costs to race.. nowadays got so many races.. ROK cup, Rotax Max, KKS-AAM race…. for our age group to start it’s a real problem as it’s all catering to 125cc’s. We can’t compete in cadets and juniors, then there is a large gap to the 125cc’s which cost an arm and a leg just to start. True, Jules, the piston port class in 2000-2001 was the real beginner’s class which really catered to budget concious drivers to actually race a proper race meaning that no mods allowed, one make tires, post race scrutineering etc. It makes a competitor feel good that everybody competes on the same level. The piston port class then IMHO would have survived if an engine like the Yamaha was used instead of that P50. Politics aside and no names to be mentioned, nowadays parents of cadets and juniors are burning big money to find the extra edge (cheating of course) and you wouldn’t believe that the animosity and near fist fights occuring. Wonder how the innocent kid feels about the whole thing? Karting is the cheapest form of sanctioned race here in Malaysia, apart from the my-kart series (which is the extreme cheapppppeeeeest), all competitors should be happy whether they win or lose, the true spirit of a racer. RL Karting’s FOC for the 15 cadet drivers will be a boost to the small kid’s parents’ wallet, remember the small kids could be the next Aaron Lim (Malaysia’s only Formula A Karter, also first Malaysian in the final grid of World Cup 2004), Victor Cheong (National 125cc Champion 2003, 2004 and 2005 I think..), Calvin Wong (too many titles this small fella) and all of these fellas owe it to their parents, who find the time and money for them to compete.
I bet this Yamaha SL Cup will be highly successful, with regards to the number of drivers that will be taking part.First thing first…..may I know who are you and where have u heard all the stories on QC problems!
COMER is not a small time engine producer….see http://www.comer-topkart.it
I was not aware of any QUALITY issues and in my 2 years of running them – I seized only ONCE and that’s cos I had the itchy hand syndrome! ( and not knowing what I was doing…)
They were as good as IAME and please please note that the Comer K80, which all cadets race worldwide and also fun karters use….come from same factory. During these years as well, the Formula Junior here used the same engines! ( allowing mods )
Maybe the source of your info had failures due to lean siezures from enthusiastic & improper tuning and illegal mods. By the way, the stock engine needed a rebuilt time every 30 – 40 hours or so…depending on how u drive and how competitive u want to be.
Yes, hard compound tyres were used – Challenger from MAXXIS and they gave little grip but last 6 months or more! ( I used 2 sets for entire season of race and practise )
As the tyres were hard, chassis tuning was very critical and hence seat time needed for experiement – which was very fine since beginners should practise and practise.
Due to this hard tyre also, our lap times were slowest and this meant we were slower than the Formula Cadets – which some drivers could not accept & left the class! (stupidly)
Why it was canned? This is my opinion – but I think cos the KKS club & certain parties were not making enough money from the class due to little International Kart Prix participation. Since you know a thing or two about our local kart racing scene ( esp the fist fights….Rd 1 2006 KKS? ), did you see how many PP drivers turned up for the club races in 2001? 15 drivers on average and on one occassion – Kiki even raced with us….
Now why so many in club races and little at the kart prix? Pls understand the mentality of us, Malaysians….we all like to make last minute decisions and some decisions are “pursuaded” by peers. To join a kart prix, you need to take 3 days out of your week and for the club races, SUndays only…..can even turn up on Sunday morning, pay entry fees and race. Kart prix are for serious ppl, needing money and commitment & time off work just for scrutinising of kart/engine/gear. Moreover, club race then needed no AAM racing license – all making racing affordable and fuss free ( which is what amateurs & hobbist drivers like )
I can write for ages here on this topic but dun need to – in fact at the end of year 2001, I wrote a very lengthy appeal letter to Paul David ( KKS Secretary ), supported by Capt Manfred Baudzus, my fellow Singapore racer to keep this class but got no reply from him. The topic was adv and disadv of canning the PP class – I have still this copy of letter.
In the end, the class died and we all spend more money going 125. My racing budget went dry and I stopped competition – but that’s a separate & personal story.
Conclusion – the PP class was the best thing they did for karting, it created some very good racing, good drivers like James Veerapen, David Ong but commercial interest by certain parties ( not only KKS ) killed it…
I wish well for the Yamaha as I want COMPETITIVE PRIVATE karting to be affordable for EVERYONE – now that’s a step above for MyKart.
By the way….u mentioned starting problems on PP….
WHAT starting problem? unless u mean they have to be push started? That was the normal procedure and like anything technical……neeeded the correct technique and PRACTISE.
Yamahas are not cheap either….pls ask how much the clutch replacement cost. the fact the elite track operator ( official impprter then of yamahas ) removed all their clutches told u a story….they were a more than RM1000 a pop & you must use the yamaha branded oil for the clutches….
ChAMPIONSHIP LAUNCH EVENT FOR YAMAHA CUP MALAYSIA
Guys,
I spoke to Aaron Lim and as advised earlier, there’s a LAUNCHING of the CHAMPIONSHIP this SUNDAY 26th Feb at ELITE Track. ( Time 10:30am to 1pm )
During this launch, KKS & Yamaha will be present and explanation made for their support and participation. The Yamaha Head will be there as well.
Briefing by KKS on races will be made, explanation of the application procedures etc will be given as well.
Other info in form of brochures will be given out and a lunch provided….
Demo runs on the Senior, Junior and Cadet karts will be held and to some more serious prospective drivers……test drive granted but this is on invitation basis only. ( bring your gear/suit just in case….) Chassis are BIREL…..one of best brands out there!
Btw, MRF tyres cost RM220 per set so this is very affordable and will surely last you one weekend…..about 100 laps life.
For those keen, please be there to support the launch and to show Yamaha how keen we Malaysian karters are!!!
Cheers
JulesJules, please do not take things too seriously. Comer is when I meant the P50, not the others. Of course there are batches that face production inaccuracy, and the importer will definitely say that there is no problem. Take note that the same engines were being used in the junior category, not just formula piston-port.
You only seized once? Do you know of drivers running on rich settings that seized while running-in their engines? (not once but multiple times) Or having a conrod seizure while the settings are rich? You have to be more “in the know” to know these things.
Kart prix, you would only need to pay for the licence + medical, after all the only difference is the addition of a pre-final. I don’t know why are you comparing club race and kart prix, afterall to be exact kart prix is 2 days of competition. If you say that u race just on Sunday (club) I take it that you are not practicing on Saturday? If you do then it would be considered 2 days club, 3 days kart prix (friday practice). Other costs remain the same other than the additional fuel for the extra pre-final.
With this Yamaha SL Series I am sure that your budget will “not be dried” and I was wondering if you will participate, since there isn’t a requirement for the AAM licence?Conclusion
FYI – KKS Records
James Veerapen – Piston Port Champion 2000 – KBS & KKS Club
Niger Ng – Piston Port Champion 2001 – KBS
Woo Wei Liang – Piston Port Champion 2001 – KKS Club
David Ong – Pulled out of KBS Kart Prix RD 2 2001 midway to race in 125cc.Starting problems… ask the Junior drivers of that era, also some Formula Piston Port drivers of that era.
Please do not scare away potential drivers about the cost of the Yamaha clutches, rest assured RL Karting is the most widely experienced outfit in Malaysia, and will not be using the dreaded Yamaha clutch for this series.
You have to be “in the know” to know these things…..[quote=kaaz38]Jules, please do not take things too seriously. Comer is when I meant the P50, not the others. Of course there are batches that face production inaccuracy, and the importer will definitely say that there is no problem. Take note that the same engines were being used in the junior category, not just formula piston-port.
You only seized once? Do you know of drivers running on rich settings that seized while running-in their engines? (not once but multiple times) Or having a conrod seizure while the settings are rich? You have to be more “in the know” to know these things.
Kart prix, you would only need to pay for the licence + medical, after all the only difference is the addition of a pre-final. I don’t know why are you comparing club race and kart prix, afterall to be exact kart prix is 2 days of competition. If you say that u race just on Sunday (club) I take it that you are not practicing on Saturday? If you do then it would be considered 2 days club, 3 days kart prix (friday practice). Other costs remain the same other than the additional fuel for the extra pre-final.
With this Yamaha SL Series I am sure that your budget will “not be dried” and I was wondering if you will participate, since there isn’t a requirement for the AAM licence?Conclusion
FYI – KKS Records
James Veerapen – Piston Port Champion 2000 – KBS & KKS Club
Niger Ng – Piston Port Champion 2001 – KBS
Woo Wei Liang – Piston Port Champion 2001 – KKS Club
David Ong – Pulled out of KBS Kart Prix RD 2 2001 midway to race in 125cc.[/quote]
My friend – If you insist I have to be serious here as afterall, I raced in this category and can say I write with personal experience. Of which I think you would have seen me racing as then cos I came 2nd in the 2001 Championship after Woo Wei Liang on the club level or did you not?
To say that these things siezed when running in and etc…..I am very sorry to say you have not very good mechanics or was told the wrong way to run these things. For the record, I rebuilt once ( out of power search ) and seized once before I traded in the still stock standard engine. ( engine no 808, nicknamed BOB )
Why I compared the club & kart prix – I wanted to show you that your so claimed “best in Malaysia” KKS club and others killed a introductory category of kart racing for commercial reasons and the example THEY gave was – LACK OF COMPETITORS IN KART PRIX! Not my words but the KKS Secretary’s.
On top of the club membership and AAM Race License RM250 ( medical extra ), the cost of racing in Kart Prix requires a higher entry fees for EACH round, it wears things ( engine, tyres ) out more cos there’s MORE heats. If you are serious enough it also allows you to bring 2 chassis, 3 engines for the weekend. Small budget to you. Club racing….I pay RM100 per race and annual membership RM150.
Whether I practise on Sat before my club races is immaterial here but if you want to know – I dun. And yes, I raced against William Woo, Niger Ng ( my 125 enduro team mate ) and also James and David briefly….some of which I knew as early as 1999 from karting.
Starting was difficult for the Juniors as they were too weak, their karts too heavy ( from Ballast ), their engines are heavily modded making it hard to start and they lack the practise the start – again my comments are based on personal observation. ( the engine mods one is my tuner’s comment ). By the way, who do you want me to ask? Junior racers like Shafiq Ali, Abdul Hafi, Dominic Ang, Daniel Verrapen? They call me “uncle”.
Sorry to lead the readers on a merry go round on a topic not necessary related to the topic but as said, I am merely explaining to our friend here the facts. I feel his subsequent replies potray a negative aspect of the technicality of karting. It’s a mechanical sports afterall and tuning/setup knowledge is power…so please DUN expect any less when the engine is far from perfect for you.
Well, the offer stands – identify yourself and we chat outside over a TT.
In any case….
Yamaha do not have start issues cos it’s electric start but it’s a race engine in any case and seizures CAN happen – so please know what you are doing before turning the needle. Let the experts do it for you….
Someone mentioned that the Yamaha introduction is a step backwards after what they did to PP class – I disagreed that its a backward move and wish this brings back the foundation class we so badly need!
Hope u guys turn up at the launch.
Jules / kaaz38 – I am lost what you are debating here. In as far as I am concerned, this series is a good start. I am not sure if I am able to attend this morning due to family commitments… however, for those of you planning to go, please avoid shah alam as this morning rain caused a severe flooding on the federal highway at batu 3 KL bound, and at the interchange between the NKVE and the ELITE highways.
Fully Agreed this is not the place to discuss this…
hence my offer to meet kaaz38 who I just noted is a newbie on the members list. My intention is clear.
Thanks for traffic info.
To comment on your quotes:
-“My friend – If you insist I have to be serious here as afterall, I raced in this category and can say I write with personal experience. Of which I think you would have seen me racing as then cos I came 2nd in the 2001 Championship after Woo Wei Liang on the club level or did you not?â€Ha! ha! that last round race in Oct 2001 was real hilarious, the winner was Foo Kok Hsing with a body weight of 90+kg, and you still couldn’t overtake him. Guess he had a better chassis and engine set up than yours.
What you are saying is always from yours and yours only perspective. I cannot imagine that you are saying that MY mechanics seized MY engine. Afterall what I did describe are the numerous Comer P50’s that the other drivers used, not JUST solely yours. You can go on and on about your 808, but what about the others that spent much more on repairs, pistons, conrods, bearings etc?
I don’t know what you have against Paul David and the KKS club, but it’s water under the bridge now. I cannot understand the long bearing grudge you hold against the club still ferment in your mind until today. Like I said, the Yamaha SL Cup is a race that will suit budget conscious drivers, and you should hear Paul David’s opening speech followed by Tadashi Sasaki yesterday, or were you absent from it’s launch? Or you lack the enthusiasms to support RL Karting’s low budget race format?
-“On top of the club membership and AAM Race License RM250 ( medical extra ), the cost of racing in Kart Prix requires a higher entry fees for EACH round, it wears things ( engine, tyres ) out more cos there’s MORE heats. If you are serious enough it also allows you to bring 2 chassis, 3 engines for the weekend. Small budget to you. Club racing….I pay RM100 per race and annual membership RM150.â€
What MORE heats? Like I describe earlier it’s only an additional Pre-Final. Only 1, and would that wear down the engine and the extra hard compound tyres? Now you tell me which driver had 2 chassis and 3 engines (Formula Piston Port)? Kindly answer THIS question.
-“Whether I practise on Sat before my club races is immaterial here but if you want to know – I dun.â€
Are you really sure? Not even once out of the 5 rounds? C’mon…. ha! ha! You really can pull my leg, and the readers’.
-“Starting was difficult for the Juniors as they were too weak, their karts too heavy ( from Ballast ), their engines are heavily modded making it hard to start and they lack the practise the start – again my comments are based on personal observation. ( the engine mods one is my tuner’s comment ). By the way, who do you want me to ask? Junior racers like Shafiq Ali, Abdul Hafi, Dominic Ang, Daniel Verrapen? They call me “uncle”.â€
You can ask Daniel Verrapen about his numerous engine seizures while running-in.
-“Sorry to lead the readers on a merry go round on a topic not necessary related to the topic but as said, I am merely explaining to our friend here the facts. I feel his subsequent replies potray a negative aspect of the technicality of karting. It’s a mechanical sports afterall and tuning/setup knowledge is power…so please DUN expect any less when the engine is far from perfect for you.â€
My replies portray a negative aspect of the technicality of karting? What I described is solely about the Comer P50 and it’s reliablility issues here way way baaaack in 2000/2001, as compared to a Yamaha KT100. Are you sure it’s a purely mechanical sports and tuning/setup knowledge is power? I dare say that you will always be 1.5 seconds slower per lap than Aaron Lim, if both of you were driving the same identical kart back to back.
-“ Someone mentioned that the Yamaha introduction is a step backwards after what they did to PP class – I disagreed that its a backward move and wish this brings back the foundation class we so badly need!â€
It’s a step backwards? Hmm, that someone has a hidden agenda I guess. Only this statement I would agree with you. I guess that you will be racing in this series, afterall you had vast experience in 2001, why not relive the moment again in 2006?
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