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Mr Chiew C.K. aka Kaaz38,
I think your replies have gone a bit personal and that’s not necessary especially if you dun even have the courtesy to identify yourself personally to us. But since u wanted to question me, here’s my answers!
Ken Foo is a good driver, he won fair & square – no shame in losing to him and till today, he remains a friend. Some of us raced with Club Championship in mind, and keep our pride/emotions in check.. esp the last race of season….2nd ain’t bad rite? Maybe not to you.
To your question who has spent mega bucks on Kart Prix events – maybe I minced my words but I meant for all classes, that is possible hence mega buck for those races. Actually, I know a fellow racer who scrutinised 2 engines for even the PP class Kart Prix events… No need to mention names.
True, Aaron is 1.5 seconds faster ( & more ) on anything he drives versus the old hack like me – that’s not an issue for me cos my agenda in this sports is for pleasure. He is trying to make a career and his extensive racing knowledge/experience plus youth is the difference.
I dun practise Sat before a Sun race cos I have a young family and cannot take time off for my hobby…..which is true to this day! Why should I pull ur leg? – you sure dun sound like a woman to me!
A heat’s to me is a pre-final to you….more kms, more wear & tear or u dun agree? Wear on driver’s too by the way…
As you will know Comer makes karts and engines as well – so ur idea of poor quality is well, uncertain. As said Daniel drove modded PPs, which is legal for J class. Could this be reason for his seizures? You know better? or r u telling me Uncle Richard has no clue how to prepare race engines? Tell that to his face, please – I want to see this.
I take the effort to post the Championship details up, personally e-mail the sponsorship material to those who asked – attest my support to Championship and my personal support to Aaron & Uncle Richard ( who I hold high in esteem ). I was invited to test drive at the launch Sunday but had family plans.( but u can ask Aaron since u likely know him too )
As said, I was merely pointing out history on how PP was canned by commercial interest ( note I never said KKS alone nor mention Paul David’s name but u did.. ) and hope they make good this Yamaha championship – for EVERYONE’s sake.
Posting this Q to you honestly – Now what did u really do for the Yamaha Championship besides telling us how much you think u know about PP inferior quality & who’s who in PP class 2001? Dod u go for the launch? post if u did!
If my comments and frankness is irrating you – please refrain from reading the thread.
For the rest of My Kart members & my friends – Thank you for reading but my sincere apologies and I find the last few replies SO UNNECCESSARY ( mine included ) At least u got a glimpse of my poor racing record….:) and I wun have any hope in kart racing, even Yamahas – no money & talent ( as last year’s MyKart results will tell you again..)
Anyhow I wish Yamaha well – sincerely!
Jules & kaaz38 – interesting reading the posts. To me, each of you have your own views on the subject – and in actuality it is not far different. As for the 2006 Yamaha series, I think both of you feel that it is a good thing. Only thing you differ is on the reason for the cancellation of the previous PP class. The replies, though have indeed become very personal.
Anyway, I feel that the discussion with a few snippets of views here and there has been educational for me. I for one, am not a person in the know. I only kart for recreation and am far from an expert on the subject… which is why I often seek Jules’ counsel (given his experience) on technical aspects.
As for the Yamaha series, RM950 is not bad. Only thing is you’ve got to BYO chassis… However, I would encourage those younger karters in my-KART to take up the challenge. I know many of you are more than capable of getting more serious. Get a good chassis (how much Jules?) amd pay RM950 per race event and you are set. You will be competing against other amateurs (or senior licence holder karters).
Me? I’d love to, but my priority is to keep building the grassroots and develop my-KART into the foundation of Malaysian motorsport.
Jules, being “personal†is when you started to challenged my knowledge of the ill fated PP class. You only started it when I started to explain on why KKS (and according to you, those with commercial interest) canned the series. Irritated? Not in the least. I get the impression that practically all your replies and posts are all about you, you and you only.
The admittance of “mincing†one’s words…. that’s a good way to twists one’s word. As to the fellow PP racer, maybe he/she thinks that the P50 might seized therefore scrutinizing a 2nd engine (whether borrowed or owned) in making sure that he/she will get the chance to go to the finals. If you know the KKS rules (which applies to all competitors) if you don’t scrutinize the second engine, after post-race scrutineering the engine does not match the serial number of the first, you will be definitely be disqualified. If the first engine fails, and is beyond repair after the pre-final, what is the driver going to do? This is like an insurance, and it’s better to adhere to all rules as set by KKS.
If you admit to being 1.5 seconds slower than Aaron Lim, then I take it you do admit to the fact that your statement – “It’s a mechanical sports afterall and tuning/setup knowledge is power…so please DUN expect any less when the engine is far from perfect for you.†is not entirely true? We are not talking about his career here, just justifying your statement.
Jules…. you have an obsession with name calling here and there, and you’ll be surprised how well I know Richard Lim and his family personally…… and this extend way back to his days of being the multiple national champion of the 80’s. On top of his other profession as a “celebrity†in the pub and bar circuit. You sure you want me to tell that to his face? Right in front of you? About his mods?
A heat, a pre-final, whatever that you feel that pinches your own pocket, it’s solely your problem. These are the rules set by the organizers (be it KKS or CIK). Why you ask? Have you heard of repechage? Have you heard of 2nd and 3rd chances? Heats are used to fine tune the engines as there are changes that affect the outcome. Heat and humidity, temperature and traction level of the track etc all play a role. This is how a competitor adjusts to changes. Will you believe that a driver once DNF both heats but finished 3rd in the final of a Kart Prix? (Definitely not you) Go and check AAM or KKS records. So if you think that the extra heat (a pre-final) is tooooo much to bear, then I suggest you sit out one heat, take your chances in the pre-final and final.
Back to your appeal letter to KKS’s Paul David. Did it ever occur to you that only you and your Capt. Baudzaus (coincidently he’s one of the Comer Importers…) petitioned for it? In all your previous “name calling†of the other PP drivers, did you get in touch with the other local PP drivers to petition together? Or co-signed your letter? Do you know that a bunch of chopsticks is much stronger than 2 chopsticks? You think that a solitary figure like you (as Capt. Baudzaus is based in Singapore) can just waltz into KKS and demand that the PP Class be re-instated? Like I said, Formula PP is all about you and you only. Maybe KKS didn’t pay much attention to you as you don’t even compete in the Kart Prixs (Formula PP), and don’t even hold a AAM competition license.
As to your reference of my mention of KKS, yes I first mentioned KKS as co-organizers of the Yamaha SL Cup, then YOU mentioned Paul David first. Refer to your previous post, or are you blind?
To summarize things up, Jules, you would make a good politician, with the way you “minced†your words. To read your posts which is entirely and purely your point of view is unjust, have you heard of second opinions? If you think that I am harsh on you, so be it.
Thanks for pointers & reminders…now u do sound like someone I know. no. 38? I will appoint u 2 be my secretary when I go into politics but first, say it to Richard’s face – do it!
Cheers.
Secretary? No thanks, being a secretary is literally sitting on a hot frying pan. Let me be the treasurer… come to think of it.. better not. Best I be the office flag bearer.
Back to KKS and the “commercial interestsâ€. In my own opinion, racing and “commercial interests†is the one thing that will kill the sport. Sure, all the P50 were scrap metal after the end of 2001, you cannot imagine the feeling of all the karters who thought that they had a affordable class just being left out like that. Some left, some progressed to 125. Those progressed to 125 started to feel the pinch and in the end left the sport for good. The same went for Formula 100. Now this class was the pinnacle of karting, engine rebuild after 1 hour, open tyres that money can best buy, etc. Also killed by KKS. Same excuse, not enough on the starting grid. Compare the running costs of a Formula 100 to PP. But what KKS did in killing the PP was uncalled for. They never had a dialogue with the PP drivers, maybe a constructive discussion on how to increase the starting grid. Do not forget that they also need big time sponsors to make the event successful. Is KKS 100% to be blamed for it? Whatever discussed behind closed doors with the other contributors (be it KKS, promoters, operators, sponsors, manufacturers etc) of the sport, we will never know. “Factions†to me is the cause of Formula PP being axed (and also the reliability of the P50) That is why racing and politics should never mix, but you and I and whoever else can never stop it.
Manufacturers? They themselves also play an active part in determining events. The racers will definitely be left in the dark, because it’s all “closed door†discussion. Nowadays we see all types of events, each promoting their own series, with the backing of the manufacturer. Blah blah…. “You can race with only this brand, you can only race with this tyres, etcâ€â€¦. still nothing in comparison with the cost of running Formula PP. But to think of the MRF tyres, (grip is like the Maxxis HG3, but more than half it’s price!!) RM220 per set, where in the world can one buy a set at that price? If KKS had these tyres then, and Formula PP were using them, Jules, you would still be competing.
In F1 is the same, every year we see rules being changed, who causes this? “Factions†as usual. Money, money, the sin that makes the world spin round and round. In the end the budget conscious driver fades away….
Jules, as a hard core Formula PP 2000/2001 driver, your opinion in this matter is greatly appreciated. Perhaps an exclusive expose’……
Jules / Kaaz38,
A little diversion guys,
Where can we buy this MRF tyres please…..someone said that it is made in India?
Cheers.
Kaaz38,
Thank goodness we are now on the right track again. If you are offended by my “question” – then accept my apologies.
Before the thread got out of hand ( in my view ), I posted my comments based on the frustrations I experienced as amateur karter in 2000/01. ( hence the “I”, “I” & the PP “theme” ) In hindsight, yes – it would be more productive if I got more PP drivers to sign on the letter but time was very limited to get any petition up to KKS. Captain was the only backer since I already communicate with him by mail on regular basis before this episode, therefore the automatic association with him. I am aware he imported Comer into Singapore but nevertheless a backer is better than none – chopstick theory mah. I wrote in good faith, as a KKS member, private karter and nothing else – as you are fully aware.
At the end, I did not even get any reply from PD for my letter and in less than a month and if my memory is correct, a mail from PD early Dec announced the canning. Like most, I went to 125 out of necessity and racing was then out of reach….esp with YGK/DAM tyres costing RM550 per set! ( again controlled by factions..& later Kobe earthquake! )
Bringing it back to the topic of commercialism & sport – yes, I agree that it should never mix as history has already proved before that, it’s the surest way to spoil those involved rotten – football, badminton etc. In karting, those with commercial interest is fighting over a very small pool of karters in Malaysia which happens to this day – a very sad thing, a result from their narrowmindedness.
Kaaz38, as an individual – we cannot make these factions take note BUT as a group, we can. This is where MyKart comes in and the reason why all of us are here. Already, the rental operators are taking note of our existence and so does some other industry players…..AAM will as well which be an issue we have to address.
In my opinion & take it as a suggestion – for these factions to take us more seriously, we have to get involved in club racing as well and the Yamaha is a good step forward, hence my active promotion of it here, returning RL Racing the favour for their help to me during my karting infancy days.
In fact, Aaron called just now and we are arranging a meet AFTER the MyKart race this Sat. All is welcome to hear and see what’s the racing all about, plus some other possibilities on kart rentals. Location : City Karting but this can go elsewhere later…
MRF tyres is good thing KKS did and the new compound is good too. Price is yes, excellent since its Indian made but no diff to the Taiwan “Challenger” ones – hence I have no qualms in using them. On a PP? sigh, if we can only turn back time.
Naza, I would try contacting KKS and ask who u can buy them from. Otherwise Wai Leong should also know.
I am passionate about my karting, which could rub over unitentionally to my style of writing/rambling/replying – therefore my apologies again if anyone is griefed.
Cheers,
No need for apologies, forums are forums……… sure there are plenty of things to be discussed. You can write with your style, remember we are a democratic country.
Ahh? You progressed to 125 (not out of necessity, remember the dark forces working behind closed doors..)
What RM550 for DAM? It was first RM380, then Dunlop must have succumb to… (Again the dark forces working behind closed doors)
The Indian made MRF HAS a difference compared to the Challenger. Ask those that race regularly. If KKS decides to raise the price… sorrylah another victim of the dark forces.True, the Yamaha SL Cup is a step forward (the person who say backward is probably a part of the dark forces working behind closed doors). I remembered that Mofaz had a series called Formula Yamaha way back, also died a natural death as there were not enough participants. Strange, come to think of it whatever happen to those KT100 they used for the Indy 40? There were tons of it… and only a handful when it came to their Formula Yamaha. See, those were the cheap competitive engines, but what happened to them? If promoted properly they could have their version of the budget conscious karter’s race. Ponder on it my friend…..
Talk about going forward… how forward is forward? Malaysia has already buried the Formula 100, Europe has also buried the FSA (Formula Super A) except in Japan – FYI Chassis are totally open – unhomologated, carbs are the exotic flat slides, rotary valved engines… all works factory goods, buried because of the exorbitant costs.
Care to add more??
My suggestion for my-kart kakis that are really on a wire-thin budget (All are welcome to flame me ..)
Since there a 6 rounds to the series, 6 passionate drivers can like sponsor 1 driver for each round, just for the experience. In the end, neither of you is committed 100% for each round, keep the costs even lower. Jules will be the tech man, who will teach chassis set up, engine tuning… easylah same carburator as the P50. KT100 seize? The engine is proven bulletproof (not literally) but don’t push it to the rpm range of P50’s. Everybody comes out smiling.
But if 1 driver is half-heartedly commited, or 2…… well…. Have to sort it out among yourselves.[quote=naza]Jules / Kaaz38,
A little diversion guys,
Where can we buy this MRF tyres please…..someone said that it is made in India?
Cheers.[/quote]
I believe they are the same brand of tyres we used during the endurance race at Sepang 10 days ago.
Kaaz38,
Interesting idea of sharing a kart! Engine tuning mainly done by organisers….can assist on chassis tuning to anyone keen.
Anyway Aaron will meet us on this Sat after our mykart race – do come at join us and share some ideas.
All of you are invited…shah alam kart track, say around 12:30pm.
i was just wondering…maybe jules can clear this up for me…see….is there a such thing…as the right engine for the right chassis???..like…those tonykarts goes well with rok engines…rather than rotax???…or am i wrong??…and…those kinda chassis..only perform with big power engines like 125ccs or those kinda big powers???….i mean..does engine behaviour affects the behaviour of the kart too???…:P
yes, there are differences but let’s start a new technical thread on this-lar….not to clutter this thread which dedciated to the Yamaha.
To sum it quick for you…..it’s not so much the engine specific for kart, it’s more tyre grip to the chassis design ( tube diameters..as one clue ). Tonykart made to ROK? – dun think so except the two company has same owners…..
QUICK UPDATE….
A few places for the CADET class driver are still available!!!
YOU PAY NOTHING FOR THE ENGINE HIRE…..just bring your chassis, pay for tyres and entry fees and RACE!!!!
FATHERs, take note of this “alomost” FOC racing offer.
Hurry!
[quote=JJxMan]WhoA!!! RM950!! Per day practice/RACE… Expensive oooo..
good initiative though… but I really think it’s quite too rich for me..[/quote]If you count the sums carefully – this is actually quite affordable cos the organisers is subsiding your engine purchase at the end of day…like a hire purchase without the initial cash outflow in ONE go!
The engine brand new is about RM5500…do your sums and u pay some additional money after 6 rounds for a freshly factory rebuilt unit which you own yourself…..
Btw, this engine is far better than those we saw at Rosedi as it has a brand new clutch system, electric start system w battery all included.. Rosedi one is direct drive, I think.
They tested 1600km recently on 2 engines with little wear – all part of R&D by the Yamaha factory with RL doing the running.( 3 day super test, by 6 drivers )
This is honestly a very good entry class for hobbist karters who want an excellent entry class to karting.
Come tomorrow and meet Aaron.
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