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[quote=TheFazz][quote=Jules]You mean MIKKO…..not its not his! he is a factory intrepid driver, so wun have a SH….
He is also selling it for someone! ( or rather spreading word around, like me )[/quote]
it belongs to nico armien. he’s the 12 year old that won round 08…
http://club.my-kart.org/node/3097%5B/quote%5Dopps – my bad, FREE BUMP then for NICO!
You mean MIKKO…..not its not his! he is a factory intrepid driver, so wun have a SH….
He is also selling it for someone! ( or rather spreading word around, like me )
Fazz,
Many thanks for your concise & well laid out reply. Yes, your points are valid and when developing any infrastructure projects – there are many considerations.
As stage, the plan is still in its infacy and the little I know of it is as follows :
Location
Well, the land belongs to one of our business associates and its an old plantation which is now abandoned. Due to this, the owner is willing to put this land into the project at minimal cost.Hence that would explain how the PD location came about.
Well, PD is not that far logistically from KL and the site is just off the PD to Kuala Sungai Baru/Malacca border trunk road. It is on Negeri Sembilan side of the border.
I have colleagues who stay in Seremban and commote by car daily to KL, so I guess if they are hardcore enough – a drive to PD for a weekend out on track plus picnic for the family….cos it is close to the sea, is not unrealistic.
Now as a poor comparison – each time HPC organises a event, we have full house on all public groups. Yes, FULL house. I said poor cos sure, PD is not SIC but a track is more than just location.
It has to be the track layout, safety, management and value for money. Why build a track in downtown KL and charge an arm an leg to run? That will also kill all demand even if the supply is WORLD CLASS standard.
Anyhow, I take your points but unless you can provide me a land which befits your ideas of a great location….all we can do is talk & dream. Btw, its a CAR TRACK, so we expect ppl to drive their vehicles down. If it is a kart track then yes, more logistic nitemares to bring the karts there….
Safety
Due to the smallish plot of land – the track is also quite short by car standards. Yes, this is also due to the fact we have to allocate run-off areas, paddock building and a clubhouse. We plan this to be a advanced training circuit as well, so there will be areas for such exercises….I have seen the layout and hence I know. And yes, we can have 2 circuits running at the same time!Impact on Natural Habitat/Flora
Sure, it is plan that we use the terrain and minimise any fauna and flora disturbance as this will optimise soil moving and later rehabilition cost. I must confess, we have not been on ground, so we dun know for sure.Naturally, it all comes down to cost. At this moment – the facility is strictly a training and racing venue, not so much a club yet but I am sure, this can be managed when the availability of the facility is identified. Only then can the membership fees ( if such a format is adopted ) be determined but of course, no one will be a millionaire running this place – so I dun think the fees will be out of reach for the common folk.
Well, guys – that is all I can reveal at this moment and for the sake of motoring, I am hopeful the promoters of the circuit will be sucessful. At least then, I too have another place to play…
Cheers!
Well, given the price of real estate in Klang Valley – I think any projects which need huge parcels of land such as a race track will incur monumental expenditure to just acquire the land. So in reality, there is NO CHANCE. Just look at what PKNS did to Batu Tiga….its a another featureless housing estate…
On the choice of this proposed facility, PD is not too far from KL and the location south is also ideal for our richer SG neighbours. So that’s a compromise and ideal for business. Its afterall, not too far from F1 circuit or KLIA too.
Then of course, there’s also the issue of land cost….which needless to say supports the location on its own accord.
On a separate area, some of you may know there is Kampung Gajagh car/bike track in Perak….close to Teluk Intan and that can be converted to a resort too, if you have the cash…..
In the end, any idea need funding and marketing sense to make it economically viable and sustainable in the long run. Its ppl like CFO Fazz who spoils the fun…he he but then that’s his job!
Btw, this idea is NOT NEW.
See the Ascari Race Resort on http://www.ascari.net
Even Jeremy Clarkson and the TOP GEAR has used this….
Okay. Time to put money in mouth.
If I do this, how many of you will join? To elaborate, an organisation I am atached to is looking at a PD located CAR track…..and this club thing can be easily done.
Keen? If yes, who?
If my memory is correct – i have used 82 to 84………for CK.
84 would guarantee a 14100+ rpm which is not so good for engine longetivity.
Best to aim for 13800-13900 peak rpm.
CS,
Since u have the Arrow kart – do search the net for some good references from Drew Price Engineering, the makers of the Arrow karts…. there were some excellent reads on chassis set ups, engine jetting etc. Of course, they are all for references only and best experimented with but at least there’s a start.
[quote=FAibS]jules i think u kinda misunderstood my post.. as i said i agree with all points posted here. i dont even mind paying more but i just think the CURRENT pricing structure provided by ck is a lil funny! i never pointed it as a value for fun.. any kart u give me i would still have fun in it 😛 i was looking at value from the karts itself! i would have thought maintenance and cost of the karts on 125cc is higher.. therefore just wonderng how they can cost so similar to 125s and how can the normal 100cc can be priced so high.. i provided those points in hopes that it maybe useful for us to push for a better pricing structre thats all :S but after careful consideration.. on the proposed 100cc, i think maintenance on 100cc is more cause its aircooled.. hence the high per cc cost??
[quote=Jules]interesting read and my opinion.
Racing in K1 dun necessary mean its more fun….cos you can have fun even in k3.
K2 is an important step to K1 as it teaches you throttle finesse and driving lines – scrap it and you will see many more expensive crashes in K1.
The main attraction for K1 is kart consistency…..not necessary cos its faster than K2.
If the consistency is extended to K2, that would be excellent.
Of course, to make it better – weights should be added as ballast.
In regards to payment – I chuckle at faibs way of measuring cc/dollar but in end – its hard to pinpoint a value for FUN. Radio control car smaller engined but also fun mah…
Simply said – if K2 is exclusive and have weights, I will also join a few selected rounds…..just to share the fun.[/quote]
[/quote]Faibs,
There is NOTHING to misunderstand as I did not say so. If you ask me, its novel attempt to understand the pricing idea but knowing CK and AP well enough, I wun bother to cos he plucks figures from the air and only he himself knows it all.
As you correctly said it, why is the air cooled engine charged more expensive than the Junior Max if we used your formula? The answer COULD lie to the fact that your formula does not consider the number Junior Max engines and spares AP has or can get compared to the PRD which is a sole CK venture, hence he has no choice other than to buy it from PRD Taiwan.
And no, the water cooled Max engine is more expensive to mantain and repair when it goes bang….compared to the 100cc PRD engine.
Go figure on then.
interesting read and my opinion.
Racing in K1 dun necessary mean its more fun….cos you can have fun even in k3.
K2 is an important step to K1 as it teaches you throttle finesse and driving lines – scrap it and you will see many more expensive crashes in K1.
The main attraction for K1 is kart consistency…..not necessary cos its faster than K2.
If the consistency is extended to K2, that would be excellent.
Of course, to make it better – weights should be added as ballast.
In regards to payment – I chuckle at faibs way of measuring cc/dollar but in end – its hard to pinpoint a value for FUN. Radio control car smaller engined but also fun mah…
Simply said – if K2 is exclusive and have weights, I will also join a few selected rounds…..just to share the fun.
[quote=yazidm] To our eyes Ikhwan may have it but I am not sure in the eyes of PFX. They may have different ideas. So lets wish him the best and pray for his success.
Jules,
See you at MME08.[/quote]
Yazid,
Thanks for an insight on your thoughts – its appreciated.
Well, just to give you some assurance – our eyes will not be too far from the eyes of PFX. At the end, some of us are also racers, sponsors and represent also the commercial market ie. consumers of Petronas.
What they seek is to recognise, and develop a driver which can perform on the driving front, as well as market himself and his sponsors well.
On the driving front, your boy is natural on a kart but of course, there’s always room for improvement. On a formula car, he is already proving it that he can adapt and is willing to learn.
And that “willing to learn”, ie. put in the hard work is all that will differentiate those who will go far to those who want to. In my eyes ( during the RMC rounds ) and from your account – I think he does not lack this desire to learn and improve. This attitude ( amongst others ie. discipline in his gym training ) is what I will look for in a driver, and I am sure PFX will be no different. This desire is not teachable, so it’s often the hardest to instill.
Now the last bit on marketing himself/sponsors – this is where some fail esp our local boys. Well, the least I can say is unless his driving is as good as Kimi Raikonnen’s, then some can forgive his mumbling at the press conferences. Ideally, of course he should work on his communication skills and only you know how best he can present himself in respectable English and Malay. Of course, this is something that can be learnt so I think this is the lesser issue, if indeed it is one.
The learning process, on both front will, and has helped in his maturity – which I must is also helped by his family’s constant presence on the kart racing days. So, hat’s off to you and your family.
Given his present track record and attitude, I am sure your boy will go somewhere. Remember, there is a timing for anything and if he is not selected this year by PFX, listen to their reasonings and work on that.
Anyhow, I will be slightly down if they did not pick him!
Btw, Maranello next year? 🙂
See u MME2008.
[quote=hanifcd][quote=Jules][quote=edwynlow]i’m still a freshie with technical[/quote]
kah kah kah….
as far as I know – the rm250 is per kart basis but lending ur kart to too many persons….is risky for your own health and ur kart’s![/quote]
when you said my own health you it’ll damage financially or physically? [/quote]
As Mark has replied – a kart is not a toy and when you are on track, anything can happen and I have seen drivers write off their brand new tonykart after a tangle with a 80cc fun karter.
Its your kart, ur wallet and ur friends. Risk that as you wish….
BTW – GIVE US UPDATE ON YOUR YAMAHA RACE EXPERIENCE LAR!!!
[quote=edwynlow]i’m still a freshie with technical[/quote]
kah kah kah….
as far as I know – the rm250 is per kart basis but lending ur kart to too many persons….is risky for your own health and ur kart’s!
[quote=luen]as always;) VW = Very Wierd[/quote]
Very Wrong
Very WorriedNot to start a VW bashing but I just want to poke some fun, to ease Mark’s tension.:beer:
